gareth brown
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haha just when you thought that video had been wrung dry of clues!
I don't think many were predicting a few weeks ago that we'd have 25 shows announced for a new tour so soon. Things will happen, don't expect them to be all revealed at once.
I'm sorry if this has been mentioned already but the Christmas video did have a guitar under the tree marked "B".
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If they wanted to do a full global tour they could, but that does not seem to be the case. The markets booked are primarily the largest ones while others get skipped. I'm sure the band will be on vacation in August/September just before promo time for the release of Songs Of Experience in November. They'll resume the Innocence And Experience tour in March 2018 and do about 120 shows around the world lasting into early 2019.
I mean, by this point he has to be able to play a little, right?
would have been awesome if they'd taken Lanois and Eno on tour with them. Get all 6 of them up there. Eno on keys, Lanois on guitar. You'd be able to get some great backing vocals on Still Haven't Found, One Tree Hill, etc
I said this in the JT Tour thread, but I'm going to say it here too as it applies. And please don't get angry with me for being to NEGATIVE, because I'm actually not being that negative. I'm just trying to be a little bit realistic.
I believe this Joshua Tree Tour 2.0 is going to last beyond that August show in Brussels. I believe THERE IS A POSSIBILITY they will take this show to South America, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, etc. South America pretty much HAS to be a stadium tour, due to a lack of arenas. The options are to modify the I&E Tour for stadiums, OR bring this Joshua Tree tour there. Which is already a stadium tour, based on a concept that's bound to sell out all venues. And while we haven't seen this stage yet, obviously, it's sure to be quite minimalistic compared to the 360 stage. Which means it's easier and less expensive to take to the southern hemisphere. That would mean that these R.O.W. markets could see JT shows later in 2017/early 2018. Bono did say that they're "working on it", as far as visiting these countries.
Australia/NZ/Japan, on the other hand, do have suitable arenas for I&E. So it's just a question of which tour U2 / LiveNation wants to do more down under, and how soon they want to get there. In Australia / NZ they could probably do 10 stadium shows, or 20 arena shows. The stadiums give them the option to play for more people and make more money in less time. If SOE does come out this fall, then they could take the I&E arena tour to Australia at the beginning of 2018. Don't get me wrong, I hope you Aussies get the arena tour you've deserved, that every U2 fan deserves.
If the Joshua Tree goes to these other regions, that doesn't bode well for SOE's timeline. At this moment, none of the band seem too worried about putting the album out at all. There's no sense of urgency whatsoever, and actually a very conscious effort to hold back the album's progress.
Again, I'm not trying to be negative, just realistic. I think we'll be lucky to see SOE in 2017 at all. The only reason to even question this logic is because Bono said in the video that SOE would be coming in 2017. But now even he seems to have rescended that comment. I hope it does get released, and that the I&E Tour resumes in 2018, and that we all live happily ever after!
And then turn it into the Passengers +1 Tour
On the topic of Bono's guitar ability, he became a pretty competent guitarist by Lovetown. He even soloed in some performances of AIWIY and Watchtower, and the solo on the studio cover of Dancing Barefoot is apparently played by him.
Then he just... regressed.
There better be a fucking Passengers 30th anniversary tour in 2025 or I will burn this entire place down.
I did not know that, very interesting. Now that I hear it again, it really doesn't sound like Edge at all!
I actually kind of liked some of his "guitar solos" during "Bad" on the 360 tour. There's a video from an early ZOO TV show where he plays a solo during WOWY. It sounded really bad, and Edge kinda looks at him like "what the hell you playin'?"
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I started laughing. There are some real D-grade rhymes in there.
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As far as I can see only three songs on the record are even overtly political, and one of those they've played on every tour since the record came out.
Trying to figure out which song you mean here and I cannot. Streets? Because it sure isn't ISHFWILF or WOWY, and no other JT song has been done every tour since the album's release.
What surprises me is that any long time U2 watcher is buying the "Trump" excuse....either as a reason to delays SOE, or do the Joshua Tree tour.
I don't see where the themes in the Joshua Tree are more resonant "now then ever." Rubbish. They were resonant when the record came out in 87, they were resonant in 97, and 07, and they're resonant today. As far as I can see only three songs on the record are even overtly political, and one of those they've played on (edit: almost) every tour since the record came out. Another, Red Hill, they didn't even bother to play when the themes of the song were supposedly fresh and relevant back in 87. And Mothers is also a song that's continuously had relevance, somewhere, for the past 30 years.
I won't get into the many reasons that delaying SOE because Trump is a transparent lie.
I get that the world is changing, and I'm thrilled they're doing this tour (which I'd rather see than more I+E) I just don't buy their reasons. You want to do a nostalgia tour like a dozen other legacy acts? Great. But because it's U2, it has to be excuse as some sort of reflection of, and statement on, the popular zeitgeist. It's pretentious, even for U2.
If U2 wants to do a tour to reflect these troubled times and the anguish people are feeling, do a stripped down show and charge a flat 20 pounds, euros or dollars for a ticket. That would be meaningful.
I was thinking of Bullet...but perhaps it hasn't been played on every tour, I'm just going off memory.
Edit: Yeah, I guess it wasn't played @ 360, SBS took the political angst spot. My bad, should have remembered that considering I went to three of those shows.
What surprises me is that any long time U2 watcher is buying the "Trump" excuse....either as a reason to delays SOE, or do the Joshua Tree tour.
I don't see where the themes in the Joshua Tree are more resonant "now then ever." Rubbish. They were resonant when the record came out in 87, they were resonant in 97, and 07, and they're resonant today. As far as I can see only three songs on the record are even overtly political, and one of those they've played on (edit: almost) every tour since the record came out. Another, Red Hill, they didn't even bother to play when the themes of the song were supposedly fresh and relevant back in 87. And Mothers is also a song that's continuously had relevance, somewhere, for the past 30 years.
I won't get into the many reasons that delaying SOE because Trump is a transparent lie.
I get that the world is changing, and I'm thrilled they're doing this tour (which I'd rather see than more I+E) I just don't buy their reasons. You want to do a nostalgia tour like a dozen other legacy acts? Great. But because it's U2, it has to be excuse as some sort of reflection of, and statement on, the popular zeitgeist. It's pretentious, even for U2.
If U2 wants to do a tour to reflect these troubled times and the anguish people are feeling, do a stripped down show and charge a flat 20 pounds, euros or dollars for a ticket. That would be meaningful.
It was a bloody well-earned rest. Before 360, Bullet had missed just six shows since its release - less than any other pre-nineties song.
So in terms of politics, you name Bullet, RHMT, and MOTD, but in terms of a more implicit message, what of IGC and Exit? I recognise this is somewhat parochial, but there are even people in New Zealand who would read politics into One Tree Hill too.
Though we would be nitpicking, as I concur that the songs are masterful and have been relevant in any given year since their release.
How exactly, do world events undermine the very rationale for a record you've supposedly been working on for years? It's not as if the world was ever clamouring for a U2 biographical record..including SOI. Prediction: the top of the charts are not going to populated the next few years reflecting fear and dread. In fact, I'd wager it will be much the opposite.
Again, as you know TUF/JT era, including the superb b-sides, are my favourite. So I'm thrilled by this and I think ironically this tour will make U2 more relevant than they've been for years. But it will be because Joshua Tree is great music that will make people feel good. While I'm certainly no fan of Trump, if the show is too heavy handed on the whole thing, including Bullet, I'll be a little disappointed.
At the end of the day, I don't give a shit what U2's "excuse" is for this tour. They're touring good music, and making it the centrepiece. That's all I've wanted for years, a tour to celebrate just how good their back catalogue is.