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Old 03-10-2006, 01:00 PM   #16
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And some people around here deliberately try to turn everything into a joke or deliberately undermine our polite requests for action and then act surprised when we lose our cool.
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Compared to some other message boards I've posted on, the mods do a damn good job here.
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Old 03-10-2006, 01:07 PM   #18
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Yes, but the thing is that some people (and I'm not thinking of anyone in particular here) are deliberately trying to get a rise out of other people by insulting them here and there (and very often it's targeted at people that they for some reason dislike), the other person feels obliged to respond and then a regular fight breaks out (exactly what the former person wanted).

I think the mods in general are doing a pretty good job, but if I was to make a suggestion I would say that a little more analysis perhaps could be done - to reveal and catch the persons that are deliberately trying to offend other members all the time.

You need to check your email.

You do not help matters around here, at all.
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Yes, but the thing is that some people (and I'm not thinking of anyone in particular here) are deliberately trying to get a rise out of other people by insulting them here and there (and very often it's targeted at people that they for some reason dislike), the other person feels obliged to respond and then a regular fight breaks out (exactly what the former person wanted).
If you think someone is deliberately trying to pick a fight with you then ignore them, and they won't do it anymore. If you react then you're just giving them what they wanted and they'll keep doing it.

I hope no one interpreted my earlier post as a slam againt the mods, it was jus the opposite. They've got so much shit on their plate that I can understand how they could easily get frustrated.

That's why I'm challenging people of the forum to grow a little thicker skin and either ignore a comment you dont like or to try to settle the issue with the person outside the forum before running to a mod.

We are mostly all adults here, the moderators shouldn't have to be babysitters that need to solve every little petty dispute.
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Quote - "It's almost amusing that the official U2 site has a far more liberal and open minded policy toward varying opinions."


Then we know where we can find you, goodbye.

Sicy is the BEST moderator, followed by many others of her caliber, on any board of which I've ever been connected...you're talking out your ass with your comments.
You have your opinion and I have mine. Nice to hear you are being so civil about voicing yours.

Again I'll reiterate, I wasn't singling out Sicy with any sort of malice except as the most recent and easily most identifiable example of what I see on this board. If you can't understand that, it isn't my problem to enlighten you beyond this reply. Furthermore, I see no reason to "take this private" as it's obvious that this is an issue that should be openly discussed, if it's allowed, anyway.

I find it funny that some people's replies echo yours along the lines of "if you don't like it, leave." I wasn't aware that there would be such a feeling of insecurity and outright hostility when an unpopular opinion is voiced.

I'll also address a few other valid comments made in this thread:

I do understand and appreciate and have grown to somewhat agree with some comments regarding locking threads. I see it as a useful option when a thread spirals out of control and drones on and on into 30+ pages of endlessly repeated info, comments and bickering. It does work on a couple other lists I'm subbed to though.

One other topic I'll address is that of the work of the mods themselves. I fully understand and appreciate the work that it takes to handle a high traffic forum such as this, I do so myself on several other mailing lists. However, it *is* voluntary. No one is twisting anyone's arm to do it. IMO, the owner of this site *should* rotate mods in and out of various forums and responsibilities from time to time. Why should any moderator object to this unless they derived something more than just the satisfaction of helping maintain the site which should be the *only* goal regardless of their duties.

I've pretty much said all I have on my mind regarding this topic so I won't clutter up this thread any further with my replies unless someone brings up a point I haven't touched upon here so far.

Obviously, I've upset some people. As I said previously, if you disagree, that's your prerogative, but try to keep it civil.

BTW, I'm not going anywhere.

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the mods on this forum have always been more than fair. have people done worse than axver and not been banned? i'm sure... but when you're directly warned and you baisicly tell the person who warned you to F off, what exactly do you expect?
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IMO, the owner of this site *should* rotate mods in and out of various forums and responsibilities from time to time. Why should any moderator object to this unless they derived something more than just the satisfaction of helping maintain the site which should be the *only* goal regardless of their duties.

Here's why I would object to something like that. I personally have absolutely zero interest OR the knowledge to moderate forums like Free Your Mind or The Goal is Soul. I believe my strengths are better suited for the forums I am currently mod-ed for.

And yes, I do agree that no one is twisting our arms to do this. Which is why we're free to quit at any time. And with every day that passes, that looks like a very good decision. But again, BECAUSE this is something that is voluntary AND for fun, it is incredible to me that people give us such crap sometimes.
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You know, you could have emailed me or Elvis, the board owner with you concerns. I find it very disrespectful that you take one incident and publicly crucify me for it.

The mods here are very diplomatic and as patient as they possibly can be with people here. When you address someone over and over and over again for their problematic posts and they completely ignore you and continue to carry on what do YOU suggest we do? We are also human beings not robots and finally get to a point where we are so frustrated and stressed out we can lose our cool. This does not happen very often and if you were around enough and payed enough attention you'd see this. The mods and I have have posted warnings over and over and over again in the threads that you are referring to and yet they are completely ignored. Did I say Axver was a troll? Never. But he is a problem. And when we have to hear complaints about how rude he is to others on a daily basis there comes a point where we cannot continue to just 'warn' him because obviously its doing no good.

It's really very simple. We have rules here, you agreed to them when you registered, whether you remember or not. The rules need to be followed and when they are broken you have to take responsibility for your actions and suffer the consequences.

I feel I am more than fair with the members here and its very rare that I or the mods get a 'thank you for everything you do here' no, we just get bitched at for doing our job.
Please. You have plenty of people in this very thread heaping praise upon you for doing your job to their satisfaction. If you feel that you're not getting enough "thank you's" at this point, perhaps you should reevaluate why you're doing this job.

As for suggestions about improvements, I've made them in my previous posts in this thread.

You seem to like using the "if you were around enough and payed(sic) enough attention you'd see this." comment when it comes to explaining your actions, perhaps you should check my stats and maybe you'd realize *I have been here long enough* and I have kept up with this site to "pay attention" to what's going on.

I'm sorry you feel slighted. However, I'm not going to apologize for voicing my opinion.

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We are mostly all adults here, the moderators shouldn't have to be babysitters that need to solve every little petty dispute.
Well the fact is that many people here who are adults don't behave like adults. I'm not the only one who thinks that- several people here do, including some moderators. Different people have different levels of sensitivity, it's really not your place imho to tell them to get a thicker skin. The people who need "babysitters" are the instigators of the crap, not the targets of it. There are still humans behind the anonymity and you can only push a person so far before they can't or don't want to take it anymore. Some people can take it, others can't. And the fact is that there seem to be people here who are here to f w/ others, play head games, take our their frustrations that they can't take out in "real life", whatever you want to call it.

Funny but from what I see some people here get away with quite a bit, of course I'm not privy to what goes on in private and I'm not questioning that, just saying that exists as opposed to "heavy handedness". I think Sicy does a good job and is not being "heavy handed" in many instances, people really seem to be given several chances before she does what she has to do. I wouldn't want to have to deal with what she has to deal with, especially given the way so many people here behave.
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I'm just saying that maybe there could be a little more personal responsibility around here. If someone has a problem with me or something I posted I'd rather have them contact me directly rather than go through Sicy first. Chances are there was just a misunderstanding that we could work out much easier if we communicated directly rather than going through a third party who doesn't know the whole situation.

I think the only time the "report this post" feature should ever be used is when someone has come soley to advertise their website or product, or someone who is a blatant troll that only showed up to bash U2. Just to alert the mods to take care of the situation quickly.

If someone posted something that may have hurt your feelings, I think going to Sicy so she can reprimand the person is a little childish. If someone calls me a douchebag I'm not going to click on the "report this post" button and cry to Sicy. I'm going to send the person a PM and ask them what the deal is and try to work things out. Of course, if you talk to the person first and things still can't get worked out, then yes, going to Sicy would be an appropriate action.

So like I said, I would like to see more personal responsibility around here and less hand holding. There is a lot of drama, petty arguments, and other crap around this place that gets dumped in the mods lap that doesn't need to be if people could act like mature adults.
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I'm just saying that maybe there could be a little more personal responsibility around here. If someone has a problem with me or something I posted I'd rather have them contact me directly rather than go through Sicy first. Chances are there was just a misunderstanding that we could work out much easier if we communicated directly rather than going through a third party who doesn't know the whole situation.

I think the only time the "report this post" feature should ever be used is when someone has come soley to advertise their website or product, or someone who is a blatant troll that only showed up to bash U2. Just to alert the mods to take care of the situation quickly.

If someone posted something that may have hurt your feelings, I think going to Sicy so she can reprimand the person is a little childish. If you talk to the person first and things still can't get worked out, then yes, going to Sicy would be an appropriate action.

So like I said, I would like to see more personal responsibility around here and less hand holding. The mods could use the break.
Excellent points. Frankly, I don't think "getting one's feelings hurt" or any kind of objectionable comment up to obvious threats or combative behavior is a reason for someone to be banned or even reprimanded. I think some people here at least appear to walk on eggshells when it comes to posting for fear of pushing some sort of envelope that might get them "reported."

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Why does there seem to be so much confusion about axver? Am I wrong or was he not just temporarily suspended from the tour forum and NOT banned?

Doesn't seem that dramatic to me.

But, most of the things people here seem to completely spaz out about don't seem that dramatic to me.
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I think some people here at least appear to walk on eggshells when it comes to posting for fear of pushing some sort of envelope that might get them "reported."

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Pardon me while I have a very serious belly laugh.

I know I edit myself quite a bit, as I am sure others do, but I believe that is the minority and not the majority. Some people could certainly benefit from thinking before posting or walking on eggshells every once in a while.
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to all the mods. You guys do a great job.
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Why does there seem to be so much confusion about axver? Am I wrong or was he not just temporarily suspended from the tour forum and NOT banned?

Doesn't seem that dramatic to me.

But, most of the things people here seem to completely spaz out about don't seem that dramatic to me.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.
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