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Old 10-15-2004, 07:41 PM   #211
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Of course Elvs can be fooled. I actually don't have a lot of trouble believing he was. But the proper thing to do in that case is be open about what happened. For instance, answering my question about what standards he has for verifying stuff like this would be a good start. It's not private info, and it shouldn't take long to do.
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Old 10-15-2004, 07:43 PM   #212
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I do not know Elvis personally or any of the staff but based on his responses, I believe that he didn't know what was going on and has apologized for his mistake. I also do not know past history as I have only been here for a few months but cut the guy some slack, I am sure that he was fooled like some of us were.
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Old 10-15-2004, 07:44 PM   #213
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I'm pretty new here, just new enough that I've watched a lot of this unfold. You have to understand that as great as your members make this place, this episode leaves me with a bad impression of the people running it. I don't see how it can't.

The fact of the matter is that we were presented with information and told it was confirmed, when in fact it turned out to be false. I don't see that you're taking appropriate responsibility for that. I understand "proof" is hard to come by, but the bottom line is that if you can't confirm something, don't say it is confirmed. Your best guess doesn't cut it when your credibility is on the line.

You and your staff owe the people on this board an apology, because you didn't do your due diligence. It's quite a cut-and-dried issue; you all said "just trust us", and we did, and we got burned.
I forgot about the confirmed part, thanks for reminding me.
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Old 10-15-2004, 07:48 PM   #214
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How about

- avoiding answers and hiding behind the staff, starting with the interview/Dalkey Beach/Edge identity details
- not checking the identity of The Edge (enough)
- misleading readers by saying repeatedly it WAS him and that things WERE checked
- rejecting any debate by repeatedly closing threads
- attacking those who questioned Edge and saying they were assuming too much

Oh and, I don't buy it ALL the staff were tricked, particularly of interest is (but we'll probably never know) what you and Katey know. Interesting several people, including one ex-mod, did enough research on their own WEEKS ago to find out this was not The Edge.

Nice knowing you.
Elvis from my interaction has been known to not be clear on things.
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Old 10-15-2004, 07:50 PM   #215
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strannix, well said! I agree with you completely.

I knew it was a hoax right from the start.



Thanks, Elvis.

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Old 10-15-2004, 07:51 PM   #216
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Wow! I feel really hurt. I don't know if I should be a part of this fan community. I put my trust in the people running this place.
I don't for one second believe that this was intentional by ANY staffer here, but I feel that, nonetheless, there obviously was a lack of responsibility on behalf of the staff to fully ensure and protect its members from a hoax. As a premium member, I feel it is owed to me that this site shows responsibility and more importantly ACCOUNTABILITY when posting interviews and supporting certain posters as legitimate. As a donater, well, that is a separate story all together.
What can be done? I don't think anything can. The removal of the Band Forum is an answer enough. The rest is time I guess. A hole in my heart, a bitter taste in my mouth, a brusied pride for being played a sucker once too many times. I have enough problems in life. This place is supposed to be my cigar where I can forget about my problems and enjoy what it has to offer. There are problems here. Right now, I am embarassed to be a member here. I hope this is a short term feeling.
I am starting to think that as well. I am not sure if I want to be a part of this community anymore either. I have said that before in the journals but the kind words of others have kept me here but I am wondering about the staff now.
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Old 10-15-2004, 07:51 PM   #217
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The world wide web is tangled enough as it is.


Most of the people on this forum appear to be something they are probably not in REAL LIFE.


They post every day and get away with it scot-free.


I'm fine with that. Even if they claimed to be a multi-million dollar rock star.


We'll all be fine.
Difference between this and your analogy is that Elvis runs this site AND excepts money to run it. He has claimed or eluded to have connections and posts information as news that is suppose to be legitimate. That is alot different from someone that is unknown that posts occasionally here. Elvis has a much higher standard, because its his site.

I agree, we will all be fine. In the grand scheme of things this is nothing. But we are for the most part all passionate about U2. So when alot of us feel we have been duped about something regarding U2, obviously we are passionate about it. The consequence of this is that most people are not going to believe most stuff that is reported by this site again. ALOT of credibility is gone. Its too bad, but even if they were fooled, they brought it on themselves for not checking on this thoroughly before giving official status. Its difficult to believe though based on what we have heard that they could not have known or had an idea that this was not Edge beforehand.
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But the proper thing to do in that case is be open about what happened. For instance, answering my question about what standards he has for verifying stuff like this would be a good start. It's not private info, and it shouldn't take long to do.
I agree wholeheartedly but fear such a simple and honest explanation of the events will not be presented now or ever.

I don't think anyone needs/wants a detailed report on everything that happened.

A simple paragraph explaining how they obtained this "exclusive interview with U2" and why U2 took the "time out of their busy schedules to talk with them" would suffice.
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Old 10-15-2004, 07:55 PM   #219
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As someone who works with reporters to coordinate interviews for clients, I would have to say that conducting interviews via email is more the exception than the rule. Typically print and internet reporters like to conduct their interviews via phone (if not in person) in order to verify the information.

In the last seven years that I have been doing PR, I have maybe coordinated two or three interviews via email. It's just not the way things usually work ... even with celebrities. It certainly would have raised a red flag in my book.
I agree, I am a journalist and most of my interviews are done by phone or in person and if it is by e-mail, it is obtained on the phone with the person etc.

When I did my interview with the Flaming Lips I had to get it verified after with PR even though the interview was done face to face with Wayne C backstage.
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Old 10-15-2004, 07:56 PM   #220
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Unfortunately, and truthfully, I was indeed swept away with the tide with everyone else. I did start to doubt certain things at a point and got very suspicious, but was not about to deal with that in public. Aside from IP addresses, cookies, and other information gathered... I have now created a method in which to more properly identify where someone TRULY is located at the time of posting. IPs can be forged, routed, etc... and are not completely trustworthy when it comes to location. For instance.. most AOL IPs say a person is in Virginia, even if they are really in California. I personally use my home IP (by method of VPN) even when I am travelling out of the country.

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I know you were but if you weren't so sketchy and gave people direct answers on concerns and questions than perhaps you would have more support on this matter.
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Old 10-15-2004, 08:01 PM   #221
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I have heard that there are ways to access the internet when one is not at home. Perhaps I have been mislead.
We do not know Elvis' situation if indeed he was out of town so let's not go there.
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Old 10-15-2004, 08:03 PM   #222
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Elvis, the easiest way to alleviate yourself from the elaborate hoax accusations is to reveal how it was you were duped.

Why not reveal it? People would probably give you more of a break.

One more question, what happened concerning the mods? Did you ban some mods because of this issue?
I agree, we're not that hard ass and would understand more if you should revealed it.
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I understand, but like it or not Interference is now a business. Once you started accepting money from people your responsibility to the site increased greatly. And as I'm sure any business owner would tell you, sometimes you have to cut short or interrupt your vacation to attend to your business.

And I'm not suggesting that you had to spend all day on the internet while you were on vacation. Now who's being rude?
I run many websites and the money goes towards servers and maintainence, I make no money off my sites and I am not Elvis' accountant but I don't think he/she is making money off this. However, he still responsible to some extend of the activity that goes on this board.
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Old 10-15-2004, 08:07 PM   #224
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If a detailed report is being compiled, you can bet it's the official U2 camp asking for it.

Otherwise, we'd all have answers by now.

Is it possible Elvis was fooled? Well it's not impossible but it's sure not probable considering his self-proclaimed web savvy.

What has happened to people here was not only immoral, unethical and unprofessional (things that are not uncommon on the net, especially message boards), but in the context of interference as a business (non-profit or not) it's also illegal.
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Old 10-15-2004, 08:08 PM   #225
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We'll never see a detailed explanation of the events that transpired leading to the interview and posts by "the Edge".

There are two possible explanations for this:

1.) The evidence Elvis had is so flimsy that he's embarrassed to show it to us now. (ie, an email from TheRealEdge@hotmail.com)

2.) Elvis knew all along that it wasn't the Edge.

That's pretty much it. I hope that the real reason is #1 but suspect in my heart that it's actually #2.

It won't stop me from visiting and posting to Interference though. I come here because of the community, not because of Elvis. In fact, when Interference first came into being I was reluctant to visit.
Elvis made an ugly spectacle of himself on Wire.
He had a reputation for being less than reliable.
But Wire went to hell and Elvis did a great job of building a great site--The fans came and I followed. So he got me there.

Anyway--the lesson here is not to put much faith in Elvis or the other mods and to just enjoy yourself.
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