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Old 07-13-2010, 05:05 PM   #61
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Non-life threatening surgery can take a little while in the States too. Not five or six, months though. That's too long. Like, Knee Replacement for example. You can even choose when you want to have the surgery. Within, a reasonable amount of time. Up to eight, ten, weeks, I think.

Bono's case was different. He suffered paralysis. In one of his legs. This also, would have been an emergency situation, in the United States.

It was one of the two red flags, my DR. warned me about. The other of course, was loss of bladder control. Surgery would have been performed, on me. That night or the following morning. ASAP. Anything that compromises your spinal chord is always a medical emergency.

It doesn't mean that Bono won't be fine. He will. Bono is doing much better than he was before.
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Than you A Stor.

I do know that surgeon's can give you a tranqualizer if they know you are nervous. I do know that you are in the best possible hands and that's why I thought that we should have more confidence in DR Tonn. When you explained to me the what Bono's surgery might have involve I didn't think that it sounded especcially major or scary. It sounds uncomplicated and fairly routine. A friend of ours had to undergo a hip replacement which surprisingly is actually quite a complicated procedure. However we never told him that in one slip he could be paralysed.
Your welcome! And yes, surgeons are quite use to patients being afraid. It is normal.
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I don't want to appear prejudice in any way but I have heard that anesthetists find it harder to check breathing difficulties in black people and he was black.
Where on Earth did you hear that?
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On the news their was a story about a girl who had gone to have her tonsils removed and suffered a cardiac arrest under general anesthetic and Nitric oxide gas because it all interacted with the contraceptive pill she was taking. How comes they never asked her if she was taking any medication?

Also how are you supposed to know whether or not you're allergic to penicillin or anesthetic? With hair dying kits you are instructed to undergo a test to insure you're not allergic to the chemicals, but how would a dr know that a patient is allergic to a drug before it's too late?
Sorry, I can't answer that one for you.

"What meds. are you allergic to?" That you know of. It is a question that is asked by every single DR. in the United States. Even dentist. I'm sure it would be the same worldwide.

I have an allergy to a medication. I had never taken it before. So, neither I or my DR. knew. I was allergic. It took two doses and over twelve hours, before I started having adverse effects. Trouble with breathing, slurred speech, slight swelling of the tongue. I had plenty of time. To seek treatment. Which, I did.
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Where on Earth did you hear that?
I don't know. I have never heard of this either.
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The UK government are aiming to cut emergency surgery in NHS hospitals because they claim they are 'overheating' the system and cost a lot. So unfortunetly the type of surgery that Bono has just undergone may require you to wait 4-5 months because it is not life threatening and doesn't require immediate attention. Don't blame me I don't make the rules.
No. Bono's back injury was a medical emergency. He could not wait six days, let alone six months. He needed immediate attention. Anytime, anyone suffers paralysis of the arms, legs, face or one side of the body. Even partial. Must go to the hospital. ASAP!
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Wow. Every single time I go to the doctor I am asked what I am allergic to by the nurse and then the doctor usually asks....if it isn't my regular doctor, I have never NOT been asked about any known drug allergies. The medical profession is especially careful in making a point to find out if a patient has allergies that could interact negatively or cause problems with anesthesia, especially questions about penicillan and pain meds.
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Exactly......me either, they always ask. Also, what medications are you taking? Even vitamins.
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No. Bono's back injury was a medical emergency. He could not wait six days, let alone six months. He needed immediate attention. Anytime, anyone suffers paralysis of the arms, legs, face or one side of the body. Even partial. Must go to the hospital. ASAP!

He wouldn't be caught dead in an NHS hospital. No way, no how.

Like our " we will have to pass the bill tp find out what's in it '. at least the speaker is honest about that.....We are sure finding out.

Any woman out there who gets a momogram from any source, local clinic, Komen, etc, please let me know. We can't find one. The new 40 is now 50 . Imagine that.
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Where on Earth did you hear that?
I don't buy that either. There are conditions that people of different ethnic backgrounds who may have higher incidences of Hypertension, Diabetes, etc, that they may want to know about, but in general, they are looking for drug interactions.

As Far as Mr Wests mother, if I remember correctly , didn't she have several cosmetic procedures in a short time frame.? Multiple surgeries where someone is put under, is a risk the first time, let a lone a 3-4 th time in a short period of time .

MJ is a little clearer story. He took 100's of thousands of pills, injections, strange diets, etc for years. His weight was approx 140 lbs.

He had a Dr It is so bizzare that they hired one for him, highly unusual. who was giving him Diprivan to sleep !!!! This doesn't count the number of Oxy's, Xanax, pot, and a zillion other things he was taking.

Diprivan, under no circumstances should be given outside a hospital, where they have all the recessitation , emergency equipement right there . He was doing this nightly, for long periods of time, as it is generally used as a short acting agent.

He was a time bomb waiting to happen. It wasn't if, it was when. There was no way he could have done 2 shows, let alone 50.

You think he knew that? I do. He studied Elvis's life, and death, very closely. This was truly it for him, and he couldn't do it.

They are looking for drug interactions when they ask you what you have taken prior to surgery. Aspirin alone could cause someone to bleed to death. It has nothing to do with Race, except for the fact of higher hypertension, etc. Doesn't matter what color your skin is, Going under is a tricky thing.

As far as the heart, infections are quite common, especially people with poor dental care. This can greatly weaken the heart. Most people dont even know it, so a Stress test, and Echo regularly is a good thing.

And as you wake up, all those crazy things you thought you said while dreaming.... you said them. LOL

We don't listen any more. People confess to the strangest things.....
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Wow. Every single time I go to the doctor I am asked what I am allergic to by the nurse and then the doctor usually asks....if it isn't my regular doctor, I have never NOT been asked about any known drug allergies. The medical profession is especially careful in making a point to find out if a patient has allergies that could interact negatively or cause problems with anesthesia, especially questions about penicillan and pain meds.
should always take the bottles with you, as it is not just the drug, but the dosage also. They need to know exactly what you are taking and how much.
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He wouldn't be caught dead in an NHS hospital. No way, no how.

Like our " we will have to pass the bill tp find out what's in it '. at least the speaker is honest about that.....We are sure finding out.

Any woman out there who gets a momogram from any source, local clinic, Komen, etc, please let me know. We can't find one. The new 40 is now 50 . Imagine that.
I hope this doesn't affect private insurance. I am very happy with the coverage. I have. All routine health screenings are covered. I have an excellent Internist and want him to decide what medical care. I need.
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I hope this doesn't affect private insurance. I am very happy with the coverage. I have. All routine health screenings are covered. I have an excellent Internist and want him to decide what medical care. I need.
Hang on to it as long as you can. Everyday , new stuff that wasn't actually in the bill, is magically appearing.

It is a shame really, as every study , and there has been quite a few of them, says 40 for those with family history, or the "gene" should begin mamograms at age 40 . 40-50 is the range where it usually appears and caught . From the new Healthcare, it is agae 50, and this has already started for those with little to no insurance, or those who seek a mamogram thru LAF, Kommen, Health clinics etc... it is now age 50 . Remember the panel that suggested that a few months back, and everyone howled? The said that it was 'only a suggestion".... it is not. I tried to get a friend one through kommen, LAF, ACS ( which is a bogus org) and ALL we now age 50, because they recieve Government grants. A friend ended up doing it for her... she had a positive lump.

Insurance Companies might hold out until the Public option is forced on everyone, but if they Government says thay can , they eventually will, or if they are wise, will use it as a marketing tool to get more subs.

But the goal is more clear on a daily basis. They are going for a total Public Option. When that happens, you will have even more so, a 2 class system.

That's when the Drs walk.... And they will.

I will post some info on Costa Rica and Panama . It is possible to get low cost insurance, even as a US citizen. What would cost 50,000 here, cost 10,000 there, either place. All American trained drs , and excellent care. They do take American insurance, and I imagine they always will. many insurance companies are encouraging "medical holidays" because of the level of care, and the much lower cost.

I had my knee done for less than a 1,000.00 That was to my insurance company. He did an excellent job.

People got what they don't want in this healthcare bill. I cannot stress enough how scary this is. They really believe this stuff

Leave for france in 2 days. sadly, that is already a bust. Lance is toast, but the party will be good !
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As Far as Mr Wests mother, if I remember correctly , didn't she have several cosmetic procedures in a short time frame.? Multiple surgeries where someone is put under, is a risk the first time, let a lone a 3-4 th time in a short period of time .
Yes. I have heard several times that the so called care that you can receive in some cosmetic surgery clinics are terrible compared to hospitals.

I don't have anything against plastic surgery morally. It's your face/body, you can do what you like, but I wouldn't want to put myself through all the stress and pain of having a non vital surgical procedure just for vanity. MJ had body dysmorphia whereby he'd never be satisfied.

Your confidence should come from within. Most of the photo's you see in magazines of celebrities are highly airbrushed anyway. They can even use airbrushing methods in film and TV.


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As far as the heart, infections are quite common, especially people with poor dental care. This can greatly weaken the heart. Most people dont even know it, so a Stress test, and Echo regularly is a good thing.

As Bono was already using a clinic in Munich do you think all his details would be referred to Dr Tonn and his team beforehand and that's why they could afford to operate so quickly? They could have done a stress test there, or seeing as the band were due to perform in a few weeks, he may have done a stress test e few days prior as part of their medical.

Also, I have found out what they use as a general anesthetic, it's a type of barbiturate. At least now I know what it is and there is no great mysteries as to why in my medicines book there are so many drugs that interact with general anesthetics. I know they are dangerous to use at home (didn't Maralyn Monroe die from OD'ing on barbs?), but you couldn't be in a safer place than a hospital if something does go wrong. However, as many emergency circumstances involve alcohol and drugs, isn't there something more safer that surgeons use?

Can't they use benzodiazepans to put you under? They are much safer. What about if the patient is unfit to go under a general anesthetic how many different type of surgeries could an epidoril be used instead?

Also, when does minor surgery become major surgery? I'd imagine removal of an appendix is usually done under GA, but like Bono's back surgery, I wouldn't think it took longer than an hour. So I wouldn't consider either to be major surgery.
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Benji......I had my first mamogram at age thirty for a breast lump, which thank goodness was benign. I hate the thought of having to wait twenty years to see if that is so. Young women can and do get breast cancer.

I hope we are not forced to take a National Health Plan. People who choose and pay for private insurance are really worried about this. The government doesn't know about my health issues, my DR. does and suppose for example, you can only have blood sugar screening every five years. That is too long. Once per year, is why they are diagnosing Pre-Type 2 Diabetes at it's onset and in many cases able to reverse it. Before, the disease can take it's toll on the body.
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