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Old 03-08-2006, 03:52 AM   #46
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So what do you think about cigarette ads? They have been banned because they made smoking attractive. Do you think they had any influence on our society to smoke? Over time, they were banned and replaced with non-smoking ads. When I grew up, ashtrays were common in everyone's homes. Now people who smoke are made to feel outcast and have a lot of rules to follow.

I believe the ads for junk food and video games are a huge factor.
If cigarette companies want to advertise then they should be able to do so, if a group does not want to carry those ads then they should be able to refuse.

I am not supportive of the way that smokers get overtaxed and pushed aside.
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Is this purely a problem for parents to address? Or should schools and policymakers also be getting involved in recognition of the potential consequences for public health, as some of these doctors suggest? What sorts of measures should such institutions take? People complain in here a lot about the impact of violence on TV on their kids--what about the impacts in terms of food advertising and disinclination to pursue physical activity instead?
No its not purely a problem for the parents to address, its also the schools and government! Measures such as ensuring adequately nutritious meals are available in the school canteens,the govermant to put initiatives to encourage more physical activity via schools,mags and TV/radio will help! And definately food advertising needs to be monitored more,having PizzaHut,KFC,Macca's all being pumped into our kids heads from around 3pm in the afternoon! Not good enough,turn the channel or TV off!
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NEW ORLEANS — Obese children as young as 10 had the arteries of 45-year-olds and other heart abnormalities that greatly raise their risk of heart disease, say doctors who used ultrasound tests to take a peek inside.

"As the old saying goes, you're as old as your arteries are," said Dr. Geetha Raghuveer of Children's Hospital in Kansas City, who led one of the studies. "This is a wake-up call."

The studies were reported Tuesday at an American Heart Association conference.

About a third of American children are overweight and one-fifth are obese. Many parents think that "baby fat" will melt away as kids get older. But research increasingly shows that fat kids become fat adults, with higher risks for many health problems.

"Obesity is not benign in children and adolescents," said Dr. Robert Eckel, a former heart association president and cardiologist at the University of Colorado-Denver. It is why the American Academy of Pediatrics recently recommended cholesterol-lowering drugs for some kids, he noted.

Raghuveer wanted to see if early signs of damage could be documented. She and colleagues used painless ultrasound tests to measure the thickness of the wall of a major neck artery in 70 children, ages 10 to 16. Almost all had abnormal cholesterol and many were obese.

No one knows how thick a 10-year-old's artery should be, since they're not regularly checked for signs of heart disease, so researchers used tables for 45-year-olds, who often do get such exams.

The kids' "vascular age" was about 30 years older than their actual age, she found.


A separate study tied childhood obesity to abnormal enlargement of the left atrium, one of the chambers of the heart. Enlargement is a known risk factor for heart disease, stroke and heart rhythm problems.

Julian Ayer, a researcher at Royal Prince Alfred Hospital Sydney Australia, did ultrasound exams on 991 seemingly healthy children ages 5 to 15. He saw a clear link between rising weight and size of the left atrium.

A third study by Dr. Walter Abhayaratna of Australian National University in Canberra, Australia, also used ultrasound tests and found impairment in the heart's ability to relax between beats in children who were overweight or obese.

The study involved the first 150 children participating in a larger community-based study.

Earlier research he helped conduct found more rigid arteries in such children _ a possible sign of plaque deposits starting to form.

"Even at this young age of 10, you can have children who have got arterial stiffness who are comparable to 30- and 40-year-olds," he said.

Dr. Michael Schloss, a New York University heart disease prevention specialist, said the evidence shows obesity is more than a cosmetic issue for children.

"If you've seen what's on the menu for most school lunches, these findings are no surprise," he said. "The time has come to seriously deal with the issue of childhood obesity and physical inactivity on a governmental and parental level."
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World's Fattest Countries - Forbes.com

There are currently 1.6 billion overweight adults in the world, according to the World Health Organization. That number is projected to grow by 40% over the next 10 years. The following list reflects the percentage of overweight adults aged 15 and over. These are individuals who have individual body mass indexes, which measures weight relative to height, greater than or equal to 25. Obese is defined as having a BMI greater than or equal to 30. Rank Country %

In bold are IMF advanced countries list

1. Nauru 94.5
2. Micronesia, Federated States of 91.1
3. Cook Islands 90.9
4. Tonga 90.8
5. Niue 81.7
6. Samoa 80.4
7. Palau 78.4
8. Kuwait 74.2
9. United States 74.1
10. Kiribati 73.6
11. Dominica 71.0
12. Barbados 69.7
13. Argentina 69.4
14. Egypt 69.4
15. Malta 68.7
16. Greece 68.5
17. New Zealand 68.4
18. United Arab Emirates 68.3
19. Mexico 68.1
20. Trinidad and Tobago 67.9
21. Australia 67.4
22. Belarus 66.8
23. Chile 65.3
24. Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of) 65.2
25. Seychelles 64.6
26. Bahrain 64.1
27. Andorra 63.8
28. United Kingdom 63.8
29. Saudi Arabia 63.5
30. Monaco 62.4
31. Bolivia 62.2
32. San Marino 62.1
33. Guatemala 61.2
34. Mongolia 61.2
35. Canada 61.1
36. Qatar 61.0
37. Uruguay 60.9
38. Jordan 60.5
39. Bahamas 60.4
40. Iceland 60.4
41. Nicaragua 60.4
42. Cuba 60.1
43. Germany 60.1
44. Brunei Darussalam 59.8
45. Slovenia 59.8
46. Peru 59.6
47. Vanuatu 59.6
48. Finland 58.7
49. Jamaica 57.4
50. Israel 57.3
51. Saint Lucia 57.3
52. Austria 57.1
53. Azerbaijan 57.1
54. Turkey 56.8
55. Tuvalu 56.6
56. Dominican Republic 56.5
57. Slovakia 56.3
58. Cyprus 56.2
59. Saint Kitts and Nevis 56.1
60. Costa Rica 55.8
61. Colombia 55.6
62. Antigua and Barbuda 55.5
63. Switzerland 55.4
64. Montenegro 54.9
65. Serbia 54.9
66. Serbia and Montenegro (The former state union of) 54.9
67. Albania 54.8
68. Fiji 54.8
69. Bulgaria 54.2
70. Luxembourg 54.2
71. Croatia 53.9
72. Bosnia and Herzegovina 53.8
73. Portugal 53.8
74. Armenia 53.3
75. Grenada 53.3
76. South Africa 53.3
77. Iran (Islamic Republic of) 53.2
78. Libyan Arab Jamahiriya 53.2
79. Lithuania 53.1
80. Lebanon 53.0
81. Czech Republic 52.9
82. Syrian Arab Republic 52.8
83. Spain 51.8
84. Hungary 51.6
85. Panama 51.4
86. Tunisia 51.0
87. Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 50.6
88. Brazil 50.5
89. Belize 49.8
90. Sweden 49.7
91. Norway 49.1
92. Russian Federation 49.1
93. El Salvador 48.7
94. Lesotho 48.5
95. Suriname 47.8
96. Paraguay 47.7
97. Guyana 47.5
98. Poland 47.5
99. Latvia 47.3
100. The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia 47.2
101. Ecuador 47.1
102. Turkmenistan 46.8
103. Ireland 46.6
104. Belgium 46.3
105. Marshall Islands 46.2
106. Netherlands 46.0
107. Uzbekistan 46.0
108. Denmark 45.8
109. Mauritius 45.6
110. Oman 45.6
111. Italy 45.5
112. Iraq 45.4
113. Georgia 44.8
114. Ukraine 44.8
115. Solomon Islands 44.0
116. Botswana 43.6
117. Honduras 43.5
118. Equatorial Guinea 43.0
119. Morocco 42.9
120. Dem. Republic of Timor-Leste 42.7
121. Mauritania 42.5
122. Estonia 42.2
123. Republic of Korea 42.0
124. Swaziland 41.8
125. Kazakhstan 41.4
126. Republic of Moldova 41.1
127. Bhutan 40.9
128. France 40.1
129. Cameroon 39.9
130. Maldives 39.9
131. Algeria 39.8
132. Dem. People's Republic of Korea 39.4
133. Kyrgyzstan 39.2
134. Romania 39.1
135. Lao People's Democratic Republic 38.9
136. Cape Verde 38.2
137. Tajikistan 37.3
138. Gabon 36.5
139. Myanmar 36.3
140. Liberia 35.6
141. Sierra Leone 33.4
142. Haiti 32.8
143. Zimbabwe 32.1
144. Thailand 31.6
145. Papua New Guinea 30.2
146. Malaysia 29.9
147. Ghana 29.2
148. China 28.9
149. Benin 28.5
150. Comoros 28.0
151. Angola 27.5
152. Nigeria 27.1
153. Yemen 27.0
154. Senegal 26.4
155. Philippines 25.2
156. Djibouti 24.9
157. Mali 24.1
158. Togo 24.0
159. Guinea 23.5
160. Sudan 23.1
161. Cote d'Ivoire 22.9
162. Singapore 22.9
163. Japan 22.6
164. Namibia 22.5
165. Pakistan 22.2
166. Sao Tome and Principe 21.4
167. United Republic of Tanzania 21.2
168. Malawi 19.3
169. Congo 18.9
170. Niger 17.6
171. Madagascar 17.4
172. Mozambique 17.3
173. Guinea-Bissau 16.7
174. Gambia 16.6
175. Indonesia 16.2
176. India 16.0
177. Somalia 15.8
178. Chad 15.6
179. Afghanistan 15.1
180. Uganda 14.8
181. Kenya 14.3
182. Burkina Faso 14.1
183. Rwanda 13.7
184. Zambia 13.0
185. Burundi 12.9
186. Central African Republic 12.9
187. Cambodia 11.3
188. Dem. Republic of the Congo 9.1
189. Nepal 8.4
190. Sri Lanka 7.4
191. Viet Nam 6.4
192. Bangladesh 6.1
193. Ethiopia 5.6
194. Eritrea 4.4

Looks like Japan and Singapore are still doing good.
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My high school has attempted to go as healthy as it can. There is no soda being sold: beverages are water, Vitamin Water, milk, and G2. All of the sandwiches are cold deli meat sandwiches put together in front of you. There are a couple of alternative hot foods: pasta, pizza, and fries, and, every couple of weeks, some chicken fingers.

I personally do not purchase cafeteria food often. When the chicken fingers are there, I try to buy them if they're not already sold out, and, occasionally, I'll purchase a soft pretzel during my morning study hall (classes start at 7:30 and my lunch period is the last one, starting at quarter of 1).

I'm also substantially underweight (5'6", 120 pounds).
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My high school has attempted to go as healthy as it can. There is no soda being sold: beverages are water, Vitamin Water, milk, and G2. All of the sandwiches are cold deli meat sandwiches put together in front of you. There are a couple of alternative hot foods: pasta, pizza, and fries, and, every couple of weeks, some chicken fingers.

I personally do not purchase cafeteria food often. When the chicken fingers are there, I try to buy them if they're not already sold out, and, occasionally, I'll purchase a soft pretzel during my morning study hall (classes start at 7:30 and my lunch period is the last one, starting at quarter of 1).

I'm also substantially underweight (5'6", 120 pounds).
It's great that your school is seemingly ahead of most, though there's room for improvement.

I read a story last week that really made me upset--a large school in Ontario, here in Canada, has actually removed all of its water fountains and replaced them with (what's argued) 'safer water,' in the form of bottled water machines. Machines that, coincedently, sell Pepsi-related products along with their own line of water.
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I can't believe a school was allowed to remove the free water fountains, or bubblers as we call them. Was there a lot of outrage? Water is becoming as much of a policy issue as sun hats here in Australia. Students at my daughter's school are asked to bring in a bottle each day to refill and keep on their desks. To remove the bubblers and replace them with a company sponsored drink machine would be just asking for a lynching.
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I can't believe a school was allowed to remove the free water fountains, or bubblers as we call them. Was there a lot of outrage? Water is becoming as much of a policy issue as sun hats here in Australia. Students at my daughter's school are asked to bring in a bottle each day to refill and keep on their desks. To remove the bubblers and replace them with a company sponsored drink machine would be just asking for a lynching.
Bubblers! Love that.

Yes, it's pretty ridiculous to remove them. The story actually came to light after the president of the student's union spoke up and said that it wasn't right--she saw straight through to the corporate motives. It touches on a whole slew of issues here in Canada: growing corporate influence on public institutions, water quality...recycling. On top of that, there's the fact that sugary drinks were also part of the machine's contents--a pretty blatant health issue.

We've also done something similar at work, where the old bubblers () have been phased out, because of a general concern about the city's water quality. Instead of those, we're now left with water coolers in the various offices, where people can get a paper cup full and head back to their desks. The thing that puzzles me is that the city's water has been tested, and it actually tests as good or better than the bottled variety. Instead of going with that, we're wasting numerous plastic bottles, as well as exposing ourselves to the possibilities of plastic leeching--which has already been proven here in Canada, with certain types of containers.

I'm rambling here, and going off topic! I'm basically suggesting that it's up to us to look after our health. The corporations must also be held to task, on a much larger scale. Unfortunately, profits, ethics, and ultimately--consideration for the consumer's well-being--aren't always working in tandem.
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There's an infantile logic in the term bubbler The water kind of balls up and tumbles out, bubbly like. When I was younger, I thought drinking fountains in the US were some kind of garden feature style fountain with soft drink or drinking water. I imagined great pretty fountains of drink, Willy Wonka style. Ah, they were nice thoughts

I don't get why anyone thinks ridding a school or workplace of these is a good idea, especially with everything you listed. It's just ridiculous and wasteful.
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When I was younger, I thought drinking fountains in the US were some kind of garden feature style fountain with soft drink or drinking water. I imagined great pretty fountains of drink, Willy Wonka style. .
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I recently read a book called Nickel & Dimed by Barbara Ehrenreich. She's a sociologist who experimented and participated as a lower income individual, and boy, the things that I found out in there.
Back to the topic though. One of the definite reasons for why obesity is such a large problem in our society is because of the money and time issues. No one wants to sit down and eat a healthy meal anymore. It's all about the drive-thrus. Something they can eat quickly in the car. And plus, if you want to eat an actual meal, it requires much more time, energy, and money.
Let's say you want to prepare a salad with vinegarette dressing. Well, the supplies you'd need to do this are obviously a knife, dressing (or whatever you want to use), a bowl, a fork, and so on. And if you want to spice it up a bit, toss in some chopped up tomatoes and whatnot.
But by the time you're done preparing the meal, you realize that you could have gone to the local McDonalds and bought a $1 cheeseburger and eaten it in at most 5 minutes. The money would be spent the same, the cheeseburger would require less energy. And in our lives today, it's all about the time that's moving quickly and how we need to rush everything.

That's just my opinion though. For my age, 19 years old, college kids don't care much for fruits and veggies anymore. They just want to go go go and eat while they move.

Not to mention soda and forms of caffeine. I'm a victim of that though... .
I drink at least 1 Mountain Dew or Red Bull a day. But I still drink the doctor's recommended amount of water each day. Does that balance me out? No, not exactly.
I've been told that I have this soda issue... please don't ride me about this. All in all, I firmly think that obesity is becoming a larger and larger issue, only because of what society is pushing us into. Parents have a lot to do with it.. but you gotta admit, it's hard to resist those graphic commercials with the greasy fries, burgers and whatnot..
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Yes I don't think little girls need ShapeUps, especially since they don't work, and most importantly they are not appropriate for growing feet and bodies. We can target childhood obesity with regular sneakers and proper walking. Where are the ShapeUps for little boys? What is the boys-dressed-up-as-junk-food supposed to mean? Strange. She's got the bounce, she's looking good.

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* by Lylah M. Alphonse, Shine Staff, on Tue May 10, 2011 2:54pm PDT

Studies already show that trendy toning shoes like Skechers Shape-ups—which have rounded or unstable soles that are supposed to help the wearer burn more calories by increasing "muscle activation"—don't really work. You might feel a bit of a burn while your body adjusts to your wonky balance, but you don't burn many more calories and you don't get more exercise just by wearing them.

But Skechers is still marketing the same type of toning shoe—and the same fitness claims. This time, however, they're not targeting women who want to look like Kim Kardashian in a sexy Super Bowl ad. They're targeting little girls.

The upbeat, animated commercials are airing on kid-centered TV stations such as Nickelodeon and the Cartoon Network. They show slim, confident girls rocking out in their Shape-ups and being followed around by surly, slack-jawed boys dressed up in junk-food costumes.

We're not sure what message they're trying to send. Shape-ups make hot dogs and soda unappealing? Toning shoes can keep you fit even if you indulge? Boys can eat and wear whatever they want, but girls should make sure they look perky, fit, and pretty? (Note: Skechers does not currently make Shape-ups for boys.) At any rate, given the sleek-and-slim tweens in the commercial and the snappy jingle—"Heidi's got new Shape-ups! Got everything a girl wants! She's got the height, got the bounce, yeah she's looking good and having fun, 'cause Heidi's got new Shape-ups!"—if the company claims to be taking aim at childhood obesity, they're courting the wrong kids.

The $50 to $75 price tag aside, some parents just aren't buying it. Over at Change.org, people are petitioning to have the kid-size toning sneakers pulled from the market.

"Women have plenty of time to be targeted for their weight throughout their lives," states the petition, which was launched by Augusta Christensen, who blogs at STFUSexists. "By not only marketing a shoe line to young girls, but also not even having an equivalent for boys, Skechers is sending a clear message to girls and women: You're never too young to start hating your body."

In response to the petition, Skechers sent the following comment from Leonard Armato, President of Skechers Fitness Group: "This person’s concerns about Shape-ups for Girls are unfounded and way off base. The whole message behind Shape-ups is to get moving, get exercise, and get fit. This is the same messaging being used by the First Lady’s Let’s Move initiative, which is aimed specifically at children. Please look this site over and ask yourself whether the person who started the petition might voice the exact same concerns about the Let’s Move messaging for children."

(Given that Let's Move involves nutrition education and exercise programs, doesn't attribute "looking good and having fun" to buying $75 shoes, and is not aimed exclusively at girls, we think that the probability of the petitioners accusing Michelle Obama of sexism is low.)

Last year, a research team from the University of Wisconsin-La Crosse, sponsored by the American Council of Exercise, tested different types of specialty shoes, including ones that promised to tone your leg muscles and burn calories. The bottom line? "There is simply no evidence to support the claims that these shoes will help wearers exercise more intensely, burn more calories or improve muscle strength and tone," the researchers concluded.

Skechers claims that their girls' toning sneakers "are designed for a wide variety of fitness activities," and the $50 Mary Jane style is "suitable for all day wear." But there are already lawsuits that claim wearing toning shoes for long periods of time or during actual athletic activity has caused problems. In February, "Good Morning America" featured a story about a 38-year-old waitress who says that she ended up with stress fractures in both hips after wearing Skechers Shape-ups to work for five months. And, according to the American Academy of Podiatric Sports Medicine, there have been plenty of reports about adults with rolled ankles and other foot problems caused by wearing the shoes. Can you imagine the chaos in a gym class full of toning-sneaker wearing 10-year-olds?

We're all for encouraging kids to get in shape and fighting childhood obesity. But is marketing toning shoes to little girls really the answer?

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It really isn't difficult to eat healthy, and if done right it can be significantly cheaper as well. I can get buy grass fed beef, a huge bag of chicken breasts, and a ton of frozen vegetables for a fraction of the price of what I used to spend at the grocery store. Eating healthy doesn't have to mean going to whole foods or the tofuteria.

We have become a lazy, excuse ridden, soft, commercial society. That's why we're all fat.
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I think that just cutting out soda alone could help a lot of kids. The amount of soda people drink has sky rocketed. When I was a kid the only time I got to have soda was during lunch on the weekend or if we went out to eat, now it seems like a lot of kids drink nothing but soda. It's not unusal for people to drink 3 or more sodas per day and each can of soda has like 150? calories, no nutritional value, and isn't even filling.
Drinks like cola and those Turkey Hill iced teas are nutrition black holes. There are parents and kids who think drinking two or three a day is no issue at all.

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It really isn't difficult to eat healthy, and if done right it can be significantly cheaper as well. I can get buy grass fed beef, a huge bag of chicken breasts, and a ton of frozen vegetables for a fraction of the price of what I used to spend at the grocery store. Eating healthy doesn't have to mean going to whole foods or the tofuteria.

We have become a lazy, excuse ridden, soft, commercial society. That's why we're all fat.
I, like Headache, don't buy the argument that less time = can't cook at home or can't eat things you assemble yourself.

I'm a student/worker, and I make the choice to eat cold sandwiches in the evening over meals with long prep time most of the week. It doesn't even need to be cold...use the tools at your disposal. 10 minutes and you can have a bagel with melted cheddar cheese done under the broiler with a side apple/Gorgonzola salad. You can dedicate two hours on a Sunday to making two big, family-portion dishes and then freeze off the portions individually for the week to bring into work. You can freeze off fresh herbs for later use.

I'd argue that it's not lack of time more than the perceived accessibility and ease of faux healthy food (Subway). It's a lack of basic culinary knowledge and lazyness in the average joe.

Spend a few hours a week working in a scratch kitchen and you realize that it is very easy to eat simple, quick meals if you get home late in the evening.

Buy a basic spread of food items regularly that have a huge range of uses.
  • Bread - keep one loaf out and freeze a few, they defrost at room temp in about an hour
  • Lettuce - cut and wash the entire head at once in the sink, should stay crisp in a covered container w/ paper towel for most of a week
  • Tomatoes - last a week
  • Apples - lasts more than a week
  • Oranges - lasts more than a week
  • Tangerines - lasts more than a week
  • Cold cuts for sandwiches
  • Pork chops - extremely cheap in quantity, freeze them off
  • Dry pasta - lasts months
  • Pesto - make yourself or buy it premade, freeze in single portions using an ice cube tray for easy serving
  • Jars of pasta sauce - use a lot less than you think per portion, they don't go nuts with it in Italy like the standard is in the U.S.

Not that hard if you're cooking for 1. Don't cook more often, cook smarter.
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