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Old 12-15-2008, 11:27 AM   #676
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^ I read that in the paper yesterday.

I can't help but wonder how many gays ands lesbians have held the hand of a stranger and wept because of the actions of others.

Was she really that much in the dark about what happens when the rug is pulled out from people? Did she really have no clue about what she was supporting?

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Should Apple be boycotted by Yes on 8 people, he asked, simply because the computer company donated $100,000 to the No on 8 campaign?
Does he know about Focus on the Family and all their boycotts? People's panties sure get wadded up when their own tactics are used against them.
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Old 12-15-2008, 11:33 AM   #677
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Something tells me that most Mac users are not exactly drawn from the Southern Baptist pool.

Actions have consequences, I guess some people are only finding that out now.
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Actions have consequences, I guess some people are only finding that out now.


i do feel badly for that woman on some level.

but at the same time, perhaps this is the only way that some straights will come to terms with the fact that they can't just dismiss gay relationships in the way that they might have done in the past. the woman probably thought, "well, this is what my church says, so whatever, no biggie, i still love them," and it might have never occurred to her just how much her thoughtless donation would reverberate. i say thoughtless because i she probably never gave the issue much though, and because, even though she obviously knew and loved her gay customers, she probably never paused to consider the fact that their relationships are exactly the same as a straight relationship.

this is something that many people still don't understand. it's all, "don't hate me, i'm not a bigot, i just have a different belief than you." but, really, your votes actually are hateful if not intentionally hateful. they convey the message that you, a gay person, are not as good as a straight person.

it's hard to explain this morning as my brain seems to be stuck in mud.
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Let me get this straight - this woman is upset because she was outed as having made a donation based on a bigoted belief, and it's having an adverse affect on her business, with her clientele being comprised largely of the group this bigoted belief directly affects, and their supporters?

This is me not caring.

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Does he know about Focus on the Family and all their boycotts? People's panties sure get wadded up when their own tactics are used against them.
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Old 12-15-2008, 11:51 AM   #680
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i do feel badly for that woman on some level.

but at the same time, perhaps this is the only way that some straights will come to terms with the fact that they can't just dismiss gay relationships in the way that they might have done in the past. the woman probably thought, "well, this is what my church says, so whatever, no biggie, i still love them," and it might have never occurred to her just how much her thoughtless donation would reverberate. i say thoughtless because i she probably never gave the issue much though, and because, even though she obviously knew and loved her gay customers, she probably never paused to consider the fact that their relationships are exactly the same as a straight relationship.
I agree with you.

I think she probably pretty much "mindlessly" gave the money in that she thought that the Church thinks it's a good idea and it makes sense to her, but she never stopped to consider the impact on real, individual people and how hurtful her actions were to them.

On a very basic level, she isn't the hotbed of bigotry (that honour goes to others), but at the same time, if this is what it will take for people to be at least minimally thoughtful about the decisions they make, then so be it.
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Old 12-15-2008, 12:33 PM   #681
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none, other than adoption.

Maybe you can use the time of your recuperation to think about that

What exactly is it about being gay that disqualifies someone from being a wonderful parent? I can't think of a single thing.

Characteristics of individuals make them bad parents-but those have nothing to do with being gay. Or with being black, or Jewish, or Christian, or blonde, or brunette...Those have to do with being human beings, that's all.
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Balance? What's that code for?
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Anyway, anarchy, chaos, force and destruction of property never sway people.

I think better methods such as peaceful demonstrations always are more successful ala MLK.

That said if any Christian religous faction that would have the most empathy for GCUs, it would be the LDS Church based on their history of discriminaion.

Also as much as the LDS Church is Unorthodox Christianity which infuriates Orthodox Christianity with our history of Heavenly visitations by God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ, visits by Angels of God sent from the prescence of God and a Newer Testament of Scripture on par with the and accepted established cannon of scripture, changing the meaning of marriage would be a baby step for our Faith.

Until we hear otherwise from above "marriage" is the divine model instituted by our Creator and there is room on Earth to coexist with our brothers and sisters who are in GCUs-peacfully.

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Balance? What's that code for?


i'm assuming the male/female binary relationship.

men are one way. women are another. children need a dad who hunts, shoots, and can't express himself emotionally. children need a mother who cooks, cleans, and gets overly emotionally involved in her children's affairs and who ultimately forgets herself and lives vicariously through her children and then when they grow up and leave she has no idea who she is or who she married so it's time for some vodka and valium, please.

5,000 years have taught us this is nothing else.
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That's for diamond's post
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Anyway, anarchy, chaos, force and destruction of property never sway people.

I think better methods such as peaceful demonstrations always are more successful ala MLK.
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you realize that *all* of the organized protests have been textbook examples of peaceful demonstrations. yes, an individual here or there might act out, but considering how heightened emotions are, the gay community has been exemplary these past few months.
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i'm assuming the male/female binary relationship.

men are one way. women are another. children need a dad who hunts, shoots, and can't express himself emotionally..
no.

a mother =emotional attributes.
a father= logical attributes.

and I have the most empathy for single parents thru no fault of their own doing their best to play mom and dad at the same time.

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you realize that *all* of the organized protests have been textbook examples of peaceful demonstrations. .
storming chruches, defacing property, desrupting traffic,spittle in the face of Believers and screaming at people is peaceful??

Clearly as in marriage there is a correct definition there is also a correct for peaceful.

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a mother =emotional attributes.
a father= logical attributes.
An emotionally unavailable father equals disaster, trust me on that one. Logic becomes completely irrelevant

Both parents providing logic and emotion equals optimum parenting. Logic and emotion are not gender based traits. They are human traits that men and women (and gay and straight people) possess equally. It's socialization and trying to live up to stereotypes that screws that all up.
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