New Album Discussion 10 - Songs of Sir, this is a Wendy's, durr

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To play devil’s avocado for a second here - JT30 was played to a mix of their crowd and people curious about an album they liked 30 years ago. No telling what mix of political views were there.

Park that for a second - from an outsider’s perspective, America was (and still hasn’t fully recovered) completely unhinged. Batshit crazy. Tinfoil hat brigade with their guns took over, and rational people were fucking scared. I’m all for speaking truth to power, but what was to be gained here? What was to be lost? Trump supporters have no capacity to be reasoned with, less badgered into a logical position. Trump supporters could very conceivably shot one of them though.



IMO, no downside, only upside. Shaking off the portion of a fanbase that want to be coddled with nostalgia rather than confronted with reality. Reinforcing the bond with an audience who hasn’t lost sight of shared values and principles.

Their BTBS Salesforce and Fallon performances reminded people of the importance of U2 as artists standing for something rather than commercial behemoths.

They had an opportunity kinda like CSNY did on their W-era tour. People walked out and they made a documentary about it.

For a more direct comparison… Roger Waters put on a full anti-Trump spectacular and it pissed off all the right people, made him present and vital instead of just a legacy artist. Yes, he’s a complete nut job, but the (brief) engagement with reality did wonders for him at the time.

Imagine SOE released in the wake of a U2 that had vocally rejected the dark heart of Trumpism as it toured its breakthrough album throughout America. The Blackout would’ve made perfect sense as a first single.
 
I agree with all of that to a point, and maybe this is about outsiders vs insiders perspectives, but the outsiders view was that Trump emboldened an enormous swathe of the population to use violence, ignorance and extremism as a weapon to protect themselves from people smarter and more experienced than them. I remember thinking at the time I wouldn’t be surprised if they said something at a show and then someone they pissed off in the audience showed up at their hotel and opened fire.

Like I said - devil’s advocate. I would have preferred a fire and brimstone Bono calling out the bullshit. I’m just saying that I’m not totally upset it didn’t happen because we may have been reading obituaries in 2017
 
IMO, no downside, only upside. Shaking off the portion of a fanbase that want to be coddled with nostalgia rather than confronted with reality. Reinforcing the bond with an audience who hasn’t lost sight of shared values and principles.

Their BTBS Salesforce and Fallon performances reminded people of the importance of U2 as artists standing for something rather than commercial behemoths.

They had an opportunity kinda like CSNY did on their W-era tour. People walked out and they made a documentary about it.

For a more direct comparison… Roger Waters put on a full anti-Trump spectacular and it pissed off all the right people, made him present and vital instead of just a legacy artist. Yes, he’s a complete nut job, but the (brief) engagement with reality did wonders for him at the time.

Imagine SOE released in the wake of a U2 that had vocally rejected the dark heart of Trumpism as it toured its breakthrough album throughout America. The Blackout would’ve made perfect sense as a first single.

i think at the time bono, while stepping back a little, was still in his "well i've worked with jesse helms, i need to be careful, still need some of these guys" phase.

that lessened as time went on - leading to the Charlottesville video and return of MacPhisto, the stop motion Get Out video and a few other random things they did during the SOE era.
 
I agree with all of that to a point, and maybe this is about outsiders vs insiders perspectives, but the outsiders view was that Trump emboldened an enormous swathe of the population to use violence, ignorance and extremism as a weapon to protect themselves from people smarter and more experienced than them. I remember thinking at the time I wouldn’t be surprised if they said something at a show and then someone they pissed off in the audience showed up at their hotel and opened fire.

Like I said - devil’s advocate. I would have preferred a fire and brimstone Bono calling out the bullshit. I’m just saying that I’m not totally upset it didn’t happen because we may have been reading obituaries in 2017



U2’s audience here is pretty lefty — social justice is kind of Bono’s thing, and those who dislike that about him had likely long ago left the band. I’m sure there were Trump voters in the crowds, there had to be, but I think the seeming evenhanded-beds it was more about Bono not wanting to sever potentially useful political relationships — I’ve seen them many times in DC and Republicans are on the “so-and-so is here tonight” shout out list — as well as not fully demonize the Trump voter, particularly since Bono’s thing is also finding things in common between seeming opposites (the Jesse Helms story).

They were certainly more direct in 2017, and I remember folks commenting on how they needed to be more directly “fuck Trump” when, if you saw the show, you’d have walked out of it ready to start punching Nazis, it was much more effective.
 
https://www.indonewyork.com/m/lifestyle/songs-of-surrender-u2-present-old-songs-with-a-new-sound-h76798.html

Songs Of Surrender: U2 present old songs with a new sound

No, U2 fans need not worry. Speculations that the legendary Irish band is on the verge of collapse were recently clearly rejected by guitarist The Edge. "It would be very difficult to disband U2 simply because it works so well for all of us," the 61-year-old told Britain's Telegraph. "Whenever I think about quitting, I kind of reinvent U2."

For their new album, U2 have reinvented their own songs, so to speak. "We were curious what it would be like to bring our early songs with us into the present," The Edge said in a PR statement. The guitarist curated the mammoth work "Songs Of Surrender" (release March 17). "What started as an experiment quickly became a personal obsession as so many of our songs have been reinterpreted."

A total of 40 songs - world hits, fan favorites and not so well-known tracks - U2 have re-recorded, uncovered and partly changed in such a way that they get a completely different atmosphere, effect and meaning. Not only arrangements, tempo and sometimes the key are new, in some places even the lyrics have been overhauled.

The 90s hit "One" gets additional weight as a melancholy piano ballad. "Where The Streets Have No Name" is carried without the driving rhythm only by an ambient-like carpet of sound. The once so powerful "Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses", "Pride" or "Sunday Bloody Sunday" become campfire ballads.

Piano and synthesizer dominate

Larry Mullen, who will not be attending the upcoming U2 concert series in Las Vegas due to health reasons, doesn't have much to do on the album as a drummer. Adam Clayton's bass can also only be heard sparsely, because piano and synthesizer dominate. Even the guitar sound moves into the background, like on "Electrical Storm".

"Walk On" was a song about Nobel Peace Prize laureate Aung San Suu Kyi, who fell out of international favor after the Rohingya genocide. With new lyrics, "Walk On (Ukraine)" is an anti-war anthem for Ukraine and effectively a different song. In the first line, Bono refers to the Ukrainian president - and former TV comedian - Volodymyr Zelenskyi: "When the comedian enters the stage and no one laughs..." Later, a children's choir joins in.

"Like Bono Singing in Your Ear"

An important goal was to "bring more intimacy into the songs," The Edge said in the "Telegraph" interview, "as if Bono were singing in your ear". This has worked extremely well for many songs. The sound is so direct and approachable that when you listen to it you really get the feeling that the singer is standing in the same room.

For "Songs Of Surrender" U2 worked together again with longtime companions like Brian Eno and Daniel Lanois ("Achtung Baby") - and with producer legend Bob Ezrin (Kiss, Alice Cooper). The 73-year-old, who has Pink Floyd's "The Wall" in his vita, was reportedly instrumental in the selection of the songs and the arrangements.

The album cover features photos of Bono, The Edge, Adam Clayton and Larry Mullen when they were younger. "Songs Of Surrender" appears in several formats and is divided into four CDs or LPs in the complete edition as a box. However, Mullen and Clayton were probably a little less involved in this project than usual.

The changes are not so drastic with all new recordings. The rock banger "Vertigo" is mostly "unplugged" - Bono's voice, cello and acoustic guitar. "Bad" from "The Unforgettable Fire" or the hit single "With Or Without You" from the mega album "The Joshua Tree", although sung a little differently and with a new climax, are not as far removed from the original as other tracks on "Songs Of Surrender ".

Bono in good voice

You have to smile a little with "Desire", which frontman Bono consistently sings with falsetto. Why shouldn't the often serious U2 have a little fun with a project like this? By the way, the 62-year-old Bono convinces with a great voice - the intimacy of the sound makes it all the more noticeable. "He knows better now how to use his voice as a tool of interpretation," says The Edge. "It comes with experience."

It is incomprehensible that the still relatively new album "Songs Of Innocence" from 2014 is represented the most in the selection with five songs - ahead of great classics such as "The Joshua Tree", "Achtung Baby" (four tracks each) and "War " (three). Probably nobody was waiting for updates of "Song For Someone" or "Cedarwood Road", which were already released as acoustic versions.

"We've allowed ourselves to shed all reverence for our originals," The Edge told The Telegraph -- a prerequisite for new recordings to even have any justification. It's just a shame that many of the new versions are wonderful on their own, but the 40 tracks in a row are so similar in style that "Songs Of Surrender" can seem a bit monotonous after a while.

Then you might catch yourself wanting to play the old and not so old U2 classics again - or to stream them. The originals remain unsurpassed. Resting on their past, however, is not an option for the Irish superstars. In the "Telegraph" The Edge revealed that he is already working on new music - in the classic U2 band sound with lots of guitars, bass and drums.
 
Will confirm after listening to all the full versions, but the only one after a 90 second listen that I don’t think could be saved is GOOYW. The original was just ok, but this version feels as if it has been butchered beyond recognition in a bad way. :). The rest are truly re-imagined, some just really unplugged acoustic versions, and brilliant and quite the gift to have this plus the originals to tide us over to the next proper album.
 
Get Out Of Your Own Way is a great example of poor self scouting. And I don't even think it's half as bad as some of you think. But man, including that song seems odd.
 
Get Out Of Your Own Way is a great example of poor self scouting. And I don't even think it's half as bad as some of you think. But man, including that song seems odd.

The whole song is NOT even released yet!

The only thing I didn't like about that song was Lamar being on the album tracks and making it odd to listen to as a single as it went right into American Soul.
 
The whole song is NOT even released yet!

The only thing I didn't like about that song was Lamar being on the album tracks and making it odd to listen to as a single as it went right into American Soul.
It was released in 2017 on the Songs Of Experience album.
 
Didn’t realise till I posted that review above that SOI is the most represented album with 5 songs….
 
The issue with Bono going full lib wonk are the insufferable platitudes he ham-fists into seemingly every new lyric.
 
Just thinkin. U2 will most likely have another number 1 album to add to the list.

One, there doesn't look to be much competition, and Two, The full physical copies and full digital downloads should count 4X in the sales count.
 
Very pleasantly surprised by the seemingly positive pre-release reviews from media + impressions from the previews. Excited for Friday!
 
Very pleasantly surprised by the seemingly positive pre-release reviews from media + impressions from the previews. Excited for Friday!

I think once you get it, you get it. I mean, once you wrap your head and ears around the entire project, it makes sense, it becomes much more interesting and exciting. Except for Get Out, that's a pile of trash, but for rest it all comes into focus and becomes something to be appreciated.

Them just dropping WOWY and Pride out there with little to no context was pretty much saying to the non uber fan - we redid Pride because we've learned so much over the years, which version do you like better???
 
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