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ONE love, blood, life
Irvine511 said:the other good thing about this: the GOP has overplayed their hand; i'm sensing a backlash.
and rightly so.
Heard on the radio this morning...67% disapproved of the Congressional involvement.
Irvine511 said:the other good thing about this: the GOP has overplayed their hand; i'm sensing a backlash.
and rightly so.
joyfulgirl said:
joyfulgirl didn't sleep either and neither did her officemate. What's up with that? I blame the equinox.
"Terri died 15 years ago," Schiavo said, referring to the collapse and cardiac arrest that doctors say virtually destroyed her brain. "It's time for her to be with the Lord like she wanted to be."
nbcrusader said:I'm not sure this was mentioned yet, but consider the irony. All this was brought on by Terri's anorexia/bulimia. And now they will starve her to death.
Irvine511 said:
as has been mentioned by myself, Melon, and even Irvine's father who is an MD, this is a 100% natural way to die and it will be totally painless and it happens all the time amongst the terminally ill.
Irvine511 said:
dunno. i'd just had a great monday as well, and topped it off by pounding out my fastest 4 miles ever on the treadmill (i have COBL to thank for that ... no better U2 song to run to).
then couldn't sleep. melatonin didn't help. neither did Ny-Quil. neither did a scotch.
so now my brain's all swirly today, and i'm slammed at work again.
(and yet, i still find time for blue crack ... )
nathan1977 said:I wonder what it feels like to starve to death?
melon said:
If you're dying, it's painless. It's more painful to force-feed and hydrate, as organs actually start failing and shutting down before you die. Since the fluids have nowhere to go, they accumulate in the lungs and the patient will drown.
In the case of Terri Shiavo, her cerebral cortex is non-existent. Hence, her means of consciousness and even the sensation of pain are gone. Not only would she not even know she's been unhooked, but she wouldn't even feel starving to death. She's incapable of feeling either of that when those parts of the brain literally don't exist any longer.
Melon
joyfulgirl said:
We're leading parallel lives. Substitute treadmill for pilates/yoga, melatonin for my secret amino acids/minerals sleep remedy, and the rest sounds pretty much like my day and evening. And I've get to get off the blue crack to do a board report.
Re: the bulimia irony...I actually just came across that little factoid yesterday and thought how ironic.
Irvine511 said:
secret amino acids? do share ...
Law Bush signed as Texas governor prompts cries of hypocrisy
Mon Mar 21, 7:22 PM ET
By William Douglas, Knight Ridder Newspapers
WASHINGTON - The federal law that President Bush signed early Monday in an effort to prolong Terri Schiavo's life appears to contradict a right-to-die law that he signed as Texas governor, prompting cries of hypocrisy from congressional Democrats and some bioethicists.
In 1999, then-Gov. Bush signed the Advance Directives Act, which lets a patient's surrogate make life-ending decisions on his or her behalf. The measure also allows Texas hospitals to disconnect patients from life-sustaining systems if a physician, in consultation with a hospital bioethics committee, concludes that the patient's condition is hopeless.
Bioethicists familiar with the Texas law said Monday that if the Schiavo case had occurred in Texas, her husband would be the legal decision-maker and, because he and her doctors agreed that she had no hope of recovery, her feeding tube would be disconnected.
"The Texas law signed in 1999 allowed next of kin to decide what the patient wanted, if competent," said John Robertson, a University of Texas bioethicist.
While Congress and the White House were considering legislation recently in the Schiavo case, Bush's Texas law faced its first high-profile test. With the permission of a judge, a Houston hospital disconnected a critically ill infant from his breathing tube last week against his mother's wishes after doctors determined that continuing life support would be futile.
"The mother down in Texas must be reading the Schiavo case and scratching her head," said Dr. Howard Brody, the director of Michigan State University's Center for Ethics and Humanities in the Life Sciences. "This does appear to be a contradiction."
Brody said that, in taking up the Schiavo case, Bush and Congress had shattered a body of bioethics law and practice.
"This is crazy. It's political grandstanding," he said.
Bush's apparent shift on right-to-die decisions wasn't lost on Democrats. During heated debate on the Schiavo case, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., accused Bush of hypocrisy.
"It appears that President Bush felt, as governor, that there was a point which, when doctors felt there was no further hope for the patient, that it is appropriate for an end-of-life decision to be made, even over the objection of family members," Wasserman Schultz said. "There is an obvious conflict here between the president's feelings on this matter now as compared to when he was governor of Texas."
White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan termed Wasserman Schultz's remarks "uninformed accusations" and denied that there was any conflict in Bush's positions on the two laws.
"The legislation he signed (early Monday) is consistent with his views," McClellan said. "The (1999) legislation he signed into law actually provided new protections for patients ... prior to the passage of the '99 legislation that he signed, there were no protections."
Wasserman Schultz stuck by her remarks when told of McClellan's comments.
"It's a fact in black and white," she said. "It's a direct conflict on the position he has in the Schiavo case."
Tom Mayo, a Southern Methodist University Law School associate professor who helped draft the Texas law, said he saw no inconsistency in Bush's stands.
"It's not really a conflict, because the (Texas) law addresses different types of disputes, meaning the dispute between decision-maker and physician," he said. "The Schiavo case is a disagreement among family members."
Bush himself framed the Schiavo decision this way Monday.
"This is a complex case with serious issues, but in extraordinary circumstances like this, it is wise to always err on the side of life," the president said during a Social Security event in Tucson, Ariz. He didn't mention the 1999 Texas law.
nbcrusader said:Who is the appropriate decision maker in this case: Bob and Mary Schindler or Michael Schiavo?
While Michael is still technically married to Terri, can you still consider him the husband considering he is living with and has children with another women (for all intents and purposes his real wife).
Irvine511 said:the one good thing that i've had come out of this is that i sent an email to my parents asking them to pull the plug on me should i ever be a vegetable. i also asked two friends to promise to smother me should i become a vegetable. they asked me to do the same.
I would rather have a proper euthanatizing than starve to death if I were Terri and wanted to die.Moonlit_Angel said:My family and I were talking about this yesterday, and we've all agreed that should any one of us find ourselves in that state, we're stating right now we'd want the plug pulled, too.
Irvine511 said:ooooooh! look who just weighed in on the situation: Mel fucking Gibson
http://www.terrisfight.net/press/gibson.htm
can you imagine the hysterics if, say, Michael Moore had said anything?
deep said:
and he knows the mind of God.
(in Aramaic, no less)
Macfistowannabe said:I would rather have a proper euthanatizing than starve to death if I were Terri and wanted to die.
Originally posted by Irvine511
the one good thing that i've had come out of this is that i sent an email to my parents asking them to pull the plug on me should i ever be a vegetable. i also asked two friends to promise to smother me should i become a vegetable. they asked me to do the same.
Moonlit_Angel said:
My family and I were talking about this yesterday, and we've all agreed that should any one of us find ourselves in that state, we're stating right now we'd want the plug pulled, too.
Angela