A_Wanderer said:The fact that you can paint pre-invasion Iraq as a blank slate without a massive and climbing body count says a lot.
You are a strong proponent of an isolationist foreign policy, do you consider genocide to be a domestic issue to be settled within the borders of a nation-state (mind you America was decidedly neutral on the issue of Saddams genocides until it served it's self-interest)?
Do you think that fault for bombings and sectarian conflict in Iraq rests on America? If Iraq had been left to crumble under sanctions and the regime eventually fell that the result would be any less bloody than the collapse precipitated by coalition invasion?
Infinitum98 said:The fact that we removed Saddam Hussein makes these deaths, and all the hundreds of thousands of other ones and all the millions of deaths that we will see in the future, all worth it.
financeguy said:What was it Rumsfeld said......freedom.......
toscano said:
Are we all preoccupied with the Superbowl ?
financeguy said:What was it Rumsfeld said.....
U. S. Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfield, press conference, 18 November 2002.
The Office of Strategic Influence. You may recall that [Department of Defense plan to plant and spread false stories in the press]. And [the reaction to its exposure by The New York Times was] "Oh, my goodness gracious! isn't that terrible? Henny Penny, the sky is going to fall!" I went down that next day and [held a press conference and] said "Fine, if you want to savage this thing, fine: I'll give you the corpse. There's the name [the project was quickly canceled]. You can have the name, but I'm gonna keep doing every single thing that needs to be done," and I have. -- U. S. Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfield, press conference, 18 November 2002.
Photos of two women who attacked Baghdad pet markets show signs of Down syndrome,
U.S. officials say.
The apparently coordinated attacks occurred 10 minutes apart shortly before 11 a.m. Witness accounts varied. Some said both women appeared to be mentally disabled, whereas others said at least one attack was carried out by a blond woman with no visible disability.
"There are some indications that these two women were mentally handicapped," said Army Maj. Gen. Jeffery Hammond, the commander of U.S. forces in Baghdad. "From what I see, it appears that the suicide bombers were not willing martyrs. They were used by Al Qaeda [in Iraq] for these horrific attacks."
Hammond showed the classified photographs to a few reporters, including one for The Times, but he declined to release the images "out of respect for the deceased."
randhail said:
Once and for all, Super Bowl is two words, not one, but two. Thank you, that is all.
2861U2 said:Yeah, it's Bush fault Al-Qaeda is so mean.
Like McCain is saying, that proves all the more why we need to stay. We cannot simply abandon the Iraqis now. I don't care if Al-Qaeda was in Iraq before or not. That's irrelevant. They are now, and we cannot leave and let them stay.
deep said:
There are reports that U S recruiters are lowering their "mental", "criminal", standards
Does it matter?
2861U2 said:Like McCain is saying, that proves all the more why we need to stay. We cannot simply abandon the Iraqis now. I don't care if Al-Qaeda was in Iraq before or not. That's irrelevant. They are now, and we cannot leave and let them stay.
anitram said:
Financially, you cannot afford to stay there as long as it will take.
The question then becomes how much of your own money are you willing to throw away before you inevitably leave? Is bankrupting America worth it to you? If so, you may as well stay there for 100 more years.
I think most of your countrymen don't think Iraq is worth their country's financial ruin.
Irvine511 said:
i know, right? that's the big joke. we'd be as bankrupted as surely as the Soviet Union was in Afghanistan.
these Republicans talk tough, but there's no ability to put the money where their mouths are. no one things 100 years in Mesopotamia, some kind of American Empire, is going to be worth the trillions in treasure and the millions in blood.
it's just dick swinging.