Vlad n U 2
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51% fascist. Puts me in the lead.
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51% fascist. Puts me in the lead.
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51% fascist. Puts me in the lead.
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Daaamn son! That's impressive.
Coulda gone either way eh?
I'm twice the fascist as I am pure.
Ummmm that is all
IndeedSo you're 50% pure?
51% fascist. Puts me in the lead.
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51% fascist. Puts me in the lead.
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Except that I got 53% quite a few posts above you.
Mine is totally bigger than yours.
i don't mean to vlad this thread up too much, but nazis weren't technically fascists. only italy ever had an actual fascist government.
What? I can't think of any serious study in fascism that would exclude Nazi Germany. Fascism was more a continuum of ideas that originated in Italy and found expression in varying forms in Nazi Germany, Franco's Spain, the Iron Guard of Romania, etc.
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I am not surprised the lefties in here tend to be a bit more fascist
hitler divided the german people along racial lines, whereas national unity at all costs is a pretty central tenet of fascism. social divisions in a true fascist state tend to happen more along class lines than race lines. nazi germany was certainly heavily influenced by mussolini and his gang, and of course they were both extreme right-wing, but there was enough of a difference that it wasn’t the same thing.
If I'm reading you correctly, you are saying the "true" fascism has nationalism as its core principle and is inclusive of people within governmental borders? If that's true, such a fascist state has probably never existed - at least I can't think of one that has entirely avoided scapegoating within its borders.
Personally I've never thought fascism is a particularly useful term. Totalitarianism has more applicability in terms of describing a cult of personality socio-political structure. Relentless propaganda is a key feature in this regard, and it's what ties together a lot of those WW2 and post-colonial dictatorships.
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I am not surprised the lefties in here tend to be a bit more fascist
well, obviously there’s a difference. the soviet union, for instance, was a totalitarian state, but definitely not fascist. franco’s spain was a totalitarian military dictatorship, but it wasn’t fascist. nazis were totalitarian national socialists, but my understanding is that historians do not consider it to be a true fascist state, more of a racialist one – hitler divided the german people along racial lines, whereas national unity at all costs is a pretty central tenet of fascism. social divisions in a true fascist state tend to happen more along class lines than race lines. nazi germany was certainly heavily influenced by mussolini and his gang, and of course they were both extreme right-wing, but there was enough of a difference that it wasn’t the same thing.
i did misspeak though when i said that italy had the only real fascist regime – what I meant was that it was the only great power with a fascist government. it was by far the most successful but there were also fascists in greece and romania too, just that they were generally short-lived and not very effective in implementing fascist policies.
he much preferred to have the jews work for him/the state than be slaughtered. of course, he certainly was no saint and didn't hesitate to be brutal with anyone he saw as an enemy, or had the potential to become one. government ideals always fall apart when met with the reality of statecraft.
i agree absolutely. fascism is a very specific type of government operating on a very specific set of principles, but people have a tendency to immediately brand any far-right movement as "fascist", even ones that would be in open hostility to actual fascism. a dictatorship (with qualifiers - bourgeois/proletarian/military/presidential, etc) or totalitarian regime is a more apt descriptor for something like that. i chuckle to myself a bit when people call donald trump a fascist. real fascists must despise him.
Understatement.
Really, the nature of his end was well justified.
I was under the impression that the Donald had a lot of respect amongst American fascists. I don't think Donald himself is, but yet he does an effective job of mobilising these types.
fascists in america are much like the college students wearing che guevara t-shirts calling themselves communists (do college kids still do that?).
fascists in america are much like the college students wearing che guevara t-shirts calling themselves communists (do college kids still do that?).