u2 360 Boxscore

[Moggio]

hyp•o•crite


Your use of the word hypocrite certainly doesn't fit in this instance. Care to explain further?

So you're saying and/or implying you didn't give me attitude first?

 

[Vlad n U 2]

Why aren't you a happy person, Moggio?

 

[U2FanPeter]

If the Stones don't announce their next tour as their last or at least promote it that way, its unlikely they will be able to top U2 360 once they tour again.

I'd love to see the Stones play ALL STADIUMS, but the fact is they can't, which is why you won't see that on the next tour. The Stadium crown officially belongs to U2. All these half full stadiums on their last leg in Europe has made the Stones shy about playing them again.

Playing to only 33,000 at Soldier Field obviously was not an inspiration either.

Just curious, why do you say "unlikely" rather than something more certain like "impossible"? Did any LN heads say the Bigger Bang record was safe 4 years ago?

The wild card for me is how much some international markets may open up for future Stones or U2 tours if they CHOOSE to make a run at the 360 figure. Markets that Maiden/MJ/Metallica have hit on their very thorough world tours.

An all stadium Rolling Stones tour stateside? Like the overwhelming majority of shows they did 1989-1998?

Also remember that both Adam and Bono had publically said the next tour would lean toward arenas.

 

[Moggio]

Just curious, why do you say "unlikely" rather than something more certain like "impossible"?

Because Maoil doesn't like making definitive statements, since he's wrong almost all of the time.

The wild card for me is how much some international markets may open up for future Stones or U2 tours if they CHOOSE to make a run at the 360 figure. Markets that Maiden/MJ/Metallica have hit on their very thorough world tours.

Yep. A lot of time-consuming planning would obviously have to go into that in order to make it happen...

Also remember that both Adam and Bono had publically said the next tour would lean toward arenas.

Really?

I'd love to read THAT article...

 

[U2FanPeter]

I'd love to read THAT article...

Adam mentions prefering arenas int he new RS(?) interview where he talks about why the new album got bumped. Bono said it to a fan in South America that was caught on film.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

Definitely not. As you already know, in the vast majority of markets, their demand increases EVERY. SINGLE. TOUR.

Well, if by vast majority you mean in the United States, then you have a point. Outside the United States/Canada is a very different story.

Lets look at some facts for outside the United States/Canada:

THE ROLLING STONES - A BIGGER BANG TOUR 2005-2007 TOTAL STATS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES/CANADA

GROSS: $265,582,081
ATTENDANCE: 2,540,224
Average Gross: $4,215,589
Average Attendance: 40,321
Average Ticket Price: $104.55
Shows: 63
Sellouts: 12

THE ROLLING STONES - VOODOO LOUNGE TOUR 1994-1995 STATS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES/CANADA:

GROSS: $200,310,142
ATTENDANCE: 3,822,854
average gross: $2,903,046
average attendance: 55,404
average ticket price: $52.40
shows: 69

Now lets adjust for dollar inflation!

Lets convert the Voodoo Lounges's Outside the USA/Canada results to what it would be for 2007 factoring in dollar inflation:

GROSS:
1995: $200,310,142
2007: $270,116,738

AVERAGE GROSS:
1995: 2,903,046
2007: $3,914,736

AVERAGE TICKET PRICE:
1995: $52.40
2007: $70.66

So the facts show that adjusted for dollar inflation, Voodoo Lounge shows outside the United States/Canada GROSSED more than A Bigger Bang shows outside the United States/Canada, $270,116,738 to 265,582,081 respectively!

This effectively destroys the idea that the Stones are increasing in gross with every tour, almost EVERYWHERE, around the world.

The fact is, outside the United States/Canada, demand to see the Stones has effectively remained the same or has even decreased.

Remember, the Stones did two different legs on A Bigger Bang in different years. Definitely some strategic scheduling there plus more strategic pricing. Compare that to Voodoo Lounge with NO strategic scheduling and only a little strategic pricing.

 

[U2FanPeter]

I was just playing with some very loose numbers to see how the 360 Mexico gross would compare to an inflation adjusted MJ Meixco gross.

-$145m Dangerous tour gross(UKMIX only number I could find, in line with 1988 and 1997 figures) divided by 3.5m tickets.
-$41 per ticket or so X 75k per show X 5 shows.
-$15.5m into inflation calculator.
-Roughly $23m for MJ and $22m for U2.

Simply food for thought. $40 per ticket seems high to me. Plus 75k is agressive but not unreasonable.

 

[Moggio]

Adam mentions prefering arenas int he new RS(?) interview where he talks about why the new album got bumped. Bono said it to a fan in South America that was caught on film.

I just read the RS article. Wow.

The only way I can seen them performing an arena tour without playing an insane amount of shows, not charge an average of $300-$400 per ticket and still beat the 360 tour's gross record, is if they perform residences in select markets...and hence take strategic scheduling to a whole new level...

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

I've love to see U2 charge an AVERAGE of anywhere from $140-$300 per show in stadiums, without strategic scheduling and fill them in the majority of markets they'd hit...

Well, U2 would have a better chance than the Stones of doing that since when it comes to the 89 stadium shows the Stones played on A Bigger Bang, the Stones only charged an average of $104 dollars a ticket, and this was for shows that were only playing in a 270 configeration!

 

[Moggio]

Well, if by vast majority you mean in the United States, then you have a point.

The vast majority of markets most artists perform in per tour are in North America.

Outside the United States/Canada is a very different story.

Lets look at some facts for outside the United States/Canada:

THE ROLLING STONES - A BIGGER BANG TOUR 2005-2007 TOTAL STATS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES/CANADA

GROSS: $265,582,081
ATTENDANCE: 2,540,224
Average Gross: $4,215,589
Average Attendance: 40,321
Average Ticket Price: $104.55
Shows: 63
Sellouts: 12

THE ROLLING STONES - VOODOO LOUNGE TOUR 1994-1995 STATS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES/CANADA:

GROSS: $200,310,142
ATTENDANCE: 3,822,854
average gross: $2,903,046
average attendance: 55,404
average ticket price: $52.40
shows: 69

Now lets adjust for dollar inflation!

Lets convert the Voodoo Lounges's Outside the USA/Canada results to what it would be for 2007 factoring in dollar inflation:

GROSS:
1995: $200,310,142
2007: $270,116,738

AVERAGE GROSS:
1995: 2,903,046
2007: $3,914,736

AVERAGE TICKET PRICE:
1995: $52.40
2007: $70.66

So the facts show that adjusted for dollar inflation, Voodoo Lounge shows outside the United States/Canada GROSSED more than A Bigger Bang shows outside the United States/Canada, $270,116,738 to 265,582,081 respectively!

This effectively destroys the idea that the Stones are increasing in gross with every tour, almost EVERYWHERE, around the world.

The fact is, outside the United States/Canada, demand to see the Stones has effectively remained the same or has even decreased.

Remember, the Stones did two different legs on A Bigger Bang in different years. Definitely some strategic scheduling there plus more strategic pricing. Compare that to Voodoo Lounge with NO strategic scheduling and only a little strategic pricing.

It's not necessarily a different story outside of North America overall. Because you're not considering the differences between shows per tour, particular markets hit or not hit, etc. These things can make BIG differences and alter average totals considerably.

And let's not forget, demand did not increase for U2 on the 360 tour in Toronto and NYC/NJ compared to the Vertigo tour. And it actually decreased in Melbourne and Sydney. And this will probably happen in more markets the next time they tour...

 

[Moggio]

Well, U2 would have a better chance than the Stones of doing that since when it comes to the 89 stadium shows the Stones played on A Bigger Bang, the Stones only charged an average of $104 dollars a ticket, and this was for shows that were only playing in a 270 configeration!

Definitely not. Here, let's go over this again and be even more specific...

I've love to see U2 charge an AVERAGE of anywhere from $140-$300 per show in stadiums, WITHOUT HEAVY STRATEGIC SCHEDULING AND STRONG OPENERS and fill them in the majority of markets they'd hit...

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

Just curious, why do you say "unlikely" rather than something more certain like "impossible"?

Because I'm not an expert like MOGGIO who has perfect formula's for everything in the concert industry and is always right about everything.

Did any LN heads say the Bigger Bang record was safe 4 years ago?

No. Why? U2

The wild card for me is how much some international markets may open up for future Stones or U2 tours if they CHOOSE to make a run at the 360 figure. Markets that Maiden/MJ/Metallica have hit on their very thorough world tours.

Well, with Metallica, they are typcially willing to play small venues and not sellout. When you do that, you can play just about anywhere on the planet. They have played every single state in the United States which is cool, but is not a commercial achievement at all.

Did Michael Jackson ever play India? I think he has a lot of fans down there. Here is the Indian version of Thriller :

YouTube - ‪Thriller (Indian Version) Golimar !!‬‏

An all stadium Rolling Stones tour stateside? Like the overwhelming majority of shows they did 1989-1998?

No, everywhere. What happened to the Stones ability to do that?

Also remember that both Adam and Bono had publically said the next tour would lean toward arenas.

Sort of like Lovetown after Joshua Tree or Elevation after POPMART.

If those rumors are to be believed, it also has U2 touring next year in 2012. Obviously, another tour so close to 360 would have to be significantly scaled down as demand has not had the typical 3 years to recover.

No one is sure what U2's immediate plans for the future after 360 is completed will be.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

It's not necessarily a different story outside of North America overall. Because you're not considering the differences between shows per tour, particular markets hit or not hit, etc. These things can make BIG differences and alter average totals considerably.

FIRST I was responding to the following:

Definitely not. As you already know, in the vast majority of markets, their demand increases EVERY. SINGLE. TOUR.

I've just shown that overall, the Stones demand outside of the USA/Canada has DECLINED since Voodoo Lounge.

If your claim that demand for the Stones increases EVERY SINGLE TOUR, then Bigger Bang should be leaving Voodoo Lounge in the DUST! Instead, it looses to Bigger Bang outside the USA/Canada.

I mean, according to you, in nearly all markets, Bridges To Babylon was bigger than Voodoo Lounge. Then Licks was bigger than Bridges To Babylon, and then Bigger Bang was bigger than Licks. Bigger Bang should be WAY AHEAD of Voodoo Lounge with that logic in nearly every market.

Its NOT! Also, the number of shows each tour did is essentially the same. 63 for A Bigger Bang, and 69 for Voodoo Lounge. The difference is that Bigger Bang has the ADVANTAGE of strategic scheduling and strategic pricing! Yet, Voodoo Lounge BEATS A Bigger Bang when looking at the tour outside the USA/Canada!

One of your big claims about the Stones just got destroyed!

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

Definitely not. Here, let's go over this again and be even more specific...

I've love to see U2 charge an AVERAGE of anywhere from $140-$300 per show in stadiums, WITHOUT HEAVY STRATEGIC SCHEDULING AND STRONG OPENERS and fill them in the majority of markets they'd hit...

Well, then why did the Stones only average $104 dollars in tickets charged for the 89 stadium shows they did on their last tour?

Who the hell is averaging $140-$300 dollars in ticket price per STADIUM show?

Say hi to Peter for me!

 

[spookyz]

Why do you KEEP ignoring my responses? AGAIN, not only are your totals and averages WAY OFF

Why are they way off?
I used estimates based on maximum venue capacity and known ticket prices.
Actually I was wrong about Interpol's averages, because the average capacity of the venues played is 4,664 and not 4,000, which still doesn't make any significant difference.
Can you explain how Snow Patrol could gross more than $181,000 on average and how Interpol could gross more than $150,000 on average?

but you're CONVENIENTLY not considering the nearby markets that weren't hit by Interpol and Snow Patrol, which of course increases their demand as well.

What markets would that be exactly?

As as well the fact that MOST of the venues you posted from their European tour schedule are ARENAS.

They're not:

Snow Patrol:
Concert May 31, 2009 Longhorn (4) Stuttgart, DE Couldn't find anything about capacity but it's a nightclub, so 2,000 max.
Concert May 30, 2009 Philipshalle (2) Düsseldorf, DE Capacity: 7,500
Concert May 28, 2009 Eishalle Deutweg (3) Winterthur, CHE Capacity: 4,300
Concert May 26, 2009 Gasometer (2) Wien, AT Capacity: 2,000
Concert May 24, 2009 Zenith (0) München, DE Capacity: 6,000
Concert May 23, 2009 Columbiahalle (2) Berlin, DE Capacity: 3,500
Concert May 22, 2009 Jahrhunderthalle Frankfurt (0) Frankfurt am Main, DE Capacity: 4,800
Concert May 19, 2009 Vega (1) Copenhagen, DK Capacity: 1,500
Concert May 18, 2009 Cirkus (6) Stockholm, SE Capacity: 1,650

Interpol:
11.12.2010Lisbon Campo Pequeno•Lisbon - Capacity: 9,000
Tickets11.13.2010Palacio Vistalegre•Madrid - Capacity: 15,000
Tickets11.14.2010San Jordi Club•Barcelona - Capacity: 3,000
Tickets11.16.2010Dock Du Sud•Marseille - Capacity: 3,000
Tickets11.17.2010Palasharp•Milan - Capacity: 8,479
Tickets11.18.2010Gasometer•Vienna - Capacity: 2,000
Tickets11.20.2010Tempodrom•Berlin - Capacity: 4,000
Tickets11.21.2010Heineken Music Hall•Amsterdam - Capacity: 5,500
Tickets11.22.2010Westfalenhalle 2•Dortmund - Capacity: 3,000
Tickets03.03.2011Docks•Hamburg - Capacity: 1,250
Tickets03.06.2011Sentrum Scene•Oslo - Capacity: 1,750
Tickets03.07.2011Cirkus•Stockholm - Capacity: 1,650
Tickets03.08.2011KB Hall•Copenhagen - Capacity: 3,000
Tickets03.10.2011Aueensee•Leipzig - Capacity: 2,500
Tickets03.11.2011Rokhall•Luxembourg - Capacity: 6,500
Tickets03.12.2011Kesselhaus•Munich - Capacity: 5,000
Tickets03.14.2011Komplex•Zurich - Capacity: 2,400
Tickets03.15.2011Zenith•Paris - Capacity: 6,400
Tickets03.16.2011Lotto Arena•Antwerp - Attendance: 5,197

They're each contributing FAR more than 1%.

Then show us how.

And U2 aren't playing Atlantic City, yet post a boxscore from this market? Why?

Because Interpol will open for U2 in East Rutherford and Philadelphia.

 

[The_acrobat]

...and then you finally woke up!

I'm just sayin that if they did do these things I suggested, they could make a lot more money and sell a lot more tickets. All my suggestions are feasible, it's not like I'm suggesting they play stadiums in North Dakota or returning to Istanbul. Were it not for the difficulty of transporting the 360 stage, they could play a lot more markets and make a lot more money. 360's biggest downfall was that they never adapted it to areas to play smaller markets.

 

[U2FanPeter]

Well, with Metallica, they are typcially willing to play small venues and not sellout. When you do that, you can play just about anywhere on the planet. They have played every single state in the United States which is cool, but is not a commercial achievement at all.

No, everywhere. What happened to the Stones ability to do that?

If those rumors are to be believed, it also has U2 touring next year in 2012. Obviously, another tour so close to 360 would have to be significantly scaled down as demand has not had the typical 3 years to recover.

Did Michael Jackson ever play India?

Metallica have the 16th highest grossing tour of all time. U2 have also played tiny 6-10k arenas 1987-1990 and a several more in 1992 and 2001.

I don't think anyone is able to repeatedly play stadiums in the US with Stones having the highest regularity. Price and sightlines too often suck, though 360 was surprisingly decent when I intentionally saw Seattle from a nosebleed seat.

Maoil, have U2 given even a single quote since 2009 indicating they would ever do another all stadium tour including the US? I also haven't heard any rumblings of acts(Stones/Madge) who could attempt a 360 stadium tour doing preliminary stage building.

India is on a list of cancelled shows for the Dangerous tour on wiki right now. Also a list of canned US shows I've never seen before, though Chicago and NYC would have been FREEZING:

Cancellations and Postponement08/01/92: London, United Kingdom; Rescheduled for August 23, 1992
09/06/92: Gelsenkirchen, Germany; CANCELLED
09/11/92: Basel, Switzerland; CANCELLED
09/24/92: Sevilla, Spain; CANCELLED
09/29/92: Bucharest, Romania; Rescheduled for October 1, 1992
10/02/92: Izmir, Turkey; CANCELLED
10/04/92: Istanbul, Turkey; Rescheduled for September 23, 1993
10/08/92: Athens, Greece; CANCELLED
08/25/93: Bangkok, Thailand; Rescheduled for August 26, 1993
08/26/93: Bangkok, Thailand; CANCELLED (Michael wasn't fully recovered from dehydration)
08/30/93: Singapore, Singapore; CANCELLED (Michael collapsed before the show had begun)
09/??/93: Jakarta, Indonesia, Gelora Bung Karno Stadium; CANCELLED
09/??/93: Jakarta, Indonesia, Gelora Bung Karno Stadium; CANCELLED
09/30/93: Johannesburg, South Africa; CANCELLED
10/02/93: Johannesburg, South Africa; CANCELLED
10/21/93: Santiago, Chile ; CANCELLED
10/26/93: Lima, Peru; CANCELLED
11/02/93: Mexico City, Mexico; CANCELLED
11/12/93: Caracas, Venezuela, Poliedro de Caracas; Rescheduled for November 19, 1993
11/19/93: Caracas, Venezuela, Poliedro de Caracas; CANCELLED
12/03/93: Sydney, Australia; @ Sydney Cricket Ground CANCELLED
12/04/93: Sydney, Australia; @ Sydney Cricket Ground CANCELLED
12/07/93: Melbourne, Australia @ ANZ Stadium CANCELLED
12/??/93: Perth, Western Australia @ Burswood Dome; CANCELLED
12/??/93: New Delhi, India; CANCELLED
12/21/93: Los Angeles, California @ Los Angeles Coliseum; CANCELLED
12/22/93: Los Angeles, California @ Los Angeles Coliseum; CANCELLED
12/23/93: Los Angeles, California @ Los Angeles Coliseum; CANCELLED
1/03/94: San Juan, Puerto Rico; CANCELLED
1/04/94: San Juan, Puerto Rico; CANCELLED
3/05/94: New York City, New York @ Yankee Stadium; CANCELLED
3/06/94: New York City, New York @ Yankee Stadium; CANCELLED
3/07/94: New York City, New York @ Yankee Stadium; CANCELLED
3/15/94: Chicago, Illinois; @ Wrigley Field; CANCELLED
3/16/94: Chicago, Illinois; @ Wrigley Field; CANCELLED
3/30/94: Honolulu, Hawaii; @ Aloha Stadium; CANCELLED
3/31/94: Honolulu, Hawaii; @ Aloha Stadium; CANCELLED

 

[hasin73]

Quote:
Originally Posted by hasin73 View Post
I think Moggio is the greatest comic relief of all time.
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I agree, however this topic/joke has been going on for ages, I am still waiting for the 'punch line'.
I think you two have NO business in this thread due to your extreme ignorance.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. Thank you for making me laugh at your expense. I am really ignorant. You are the expert, Sir.

 

[Diemen]

So you're saying and/or implying you didn't give me attitude first?

You never learn, do you?

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

Metallica have the 16th highest grossing tour of all time. U2 have also played tiny 6-10k arenas 1987-1990 and a several more in 1992 and 2001.

Yes, at $217 million which is light years away from U2's soon to be $740 million gross from 360. Its about the same figure that Coldplay grossed on their most recent tour. While $217 million is relatively huge, its not even worth talking about when compared to U2.

You could probably find a couple of exceptions from 1987 to 1990 in terms of playing arena's, but its far from degree to which Metallica was willing to use arena's of that size.

I don't think anyone is able to repeatedly play stadiums in the US with Stones having the highest regularity. Price and sightlines too often suck, though 360 was surprisingly decent when I intentionally saw Seattle from a nosebleed seat.

There is no reason repeated Stadium tours can't be done. U2 played stadiums in the US from 1987 through 1997 on 3 tours. They stopped on Elevation as their popularity rebuilt, and then discovered to late on Vertigo that they were ready for Stadiums again in North America as the demand was clearly there.

Finally, there is hardly anyone that plays stadiums to begin with, let alone plays stadiums on each tour in the USA. So that is a moot point.

Maoil, have U2 given even a single quote since 2009 indicating they would ever do another all stadium tour including the US? I also haven't heard any rumblings of acts(Stones/Madge) who could attempt a 360 stadium tour doing preliminary stage building.

Peter, have U2 given even a single quote since 2009 indicating they would never do another all stadium tour including the US?

The fact is, stadium tours for the artist are less time consuming, which makes it very attractive. When your very popular like U2 is, its very difficult to meet the demand in the market by playing arena's. Thats why U2 went to the stadiums in 1987, and why they have stayed in stadiums for the most part with some exceptions, since that time.

Madonna could not do a 360 stadium tour, despite what Moggio thinks. Hell, she couldn't even do a 270 stadium tour in most markets in the United States. She is way behind where MOGGIO claims her to be and it will be another one of Moggio's claims that will eventually fall, destroyed by clear facts when her next tour does not gross anywhere near $900 million despite even with MOGGIO's criteria.

The Stones are the only other artist that would have a chance, and that would depend on them announcing the next tour as their last. Without that, there is no way they could do stadiums in 360 and some rumors have them completely giving up on stadiums entirely from now on.

 

[spookyz]

Well, I think Madonna has huge potential in South Africa, Japan, Australia and New Zealand on her next tour, where she didn't tour in 2008/09. But she played a lot "once in a lifetime" markets in Europe on her Sticky and Sweet Tour she will probably never visit again (St. Petersburg, Tallinn, Bucarest, Athens...) and some markets where demand will inevitably decrease next time (Finland, Norway, Sweden...). As for Europe, I think her numbers will be quite the same or maybe she might even gross less than on her last tour. Also, she's too "unpopular" in North America to beat U2 360°.

 

[U2FanPeter]

Yes, at $217 million which is light years away from U2's soon to be $740 million gross from 360. Its about the same figure that Coldplay grossed on their most recent tour. While $217 million is relatively huge, its not even worth talking about when compared to U2.

Peter, have U2 given even a single quote since 2009 indicating they would never do another all stadium tour including the US?

That Metallica tour can be compared to U2 and others acts possibly eyeing the 360 record since they've sold 40,000 in single markets where Stones/Madge/U2 have never visited. I'm curious how much those markets would be key to break attendance and to a lesser degree gross records.

Half the band have made formal or candid remarks in 2011 about a preference for arenas.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

The decline and stagnation of the Stones outside of the United States and Canada:

Here are the Stones tour grosses outside the United States/Canada adjusted into 2007 dollars:

Voodoo Lounge: $270,116,738

Bridges To Babylon: $196,690,624

Licks: $195,293,575

A Bigger Bang: $265,582,081


So, there is steady decline and stagnation in the Stones numbers outside the USA/Canada until A Bigger Bang when the Stones bring in Strategic Scheduling, better pricing, and split their European tour up over two summers.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

Half the band have made formal or candid remarks in 2011 about a preference for arenas.

Source?

 

[Moggio]

I've just shown that overall, the Stones demand outside of the USA/Canada has DECLINED since Voodoo Lounge.

No, you haven't shown that. A chunk of them have stagnated, but almost none of them have declined. And like I said, the vast majority of markets that most artists perform in, including The Stones, are in North America. Also, their per tour shows totals differ greatly in some cases. That also makes a difference in overall average totals, etc.

If your claim that demand for the Stones increases EVERY SINGLE TOUR, then Bigger Bang should be leaving Voodoo Lounge in the DUST! Instead, it looses to Bigger Bang outside the USA/Canada. I mean, according to you, in nearly all markets, Bridges To Babylon was bigger than Voodoo Lounge. Then Licks was bigger than Bridges To Babylon, and then Bigger Bang was bigger than Licks. Bigger Bang should be WAY AHEAD of Voodoo Lounge with that logic in nearly every market.

But that's not exactly what I said. You're quoting me OUT OF CONTEXT AGAIN. And overall, the A Bigger Bang tour grossed more nearly $250 million more than the Voodoo Lounge tour did.

I mean, according to you, in nearly all markets, Bridges To Babylon was bigger than Voodoo Lounge. Then Licks was bigger than Bridges To Babylon, and then Bigger Bang was bigger than Licks. Bigger Bang should be WAY AHEAD of Voodoo Lounge with that logic in nearly every market.

Well, The Bridges To Babylon / No Security tour seems to be the exception. But you're CONVENIENTLY not including the fact that the Licks tour had about 25 less shows than the Bridges To Babylon / No Security tour. And AGAIN, overall, the A Bigger Bang tour grossed more nearly $250 million more than the Voodoo Lounge tour did.

Its NOT! Also, the number of shows each tour did is essentially the same. 63 for A Bigger Bang, and 69 for Voodoo Lounge. The difference is that Bigger Bang has the ADVANTAGE of strategic scheduling and strategic pricing! Yet, Voodoo Lounge BEATS A Bigger Bang when looking at the tour outside the USA/Canada!

Definitely not. In this case, that 6 show difference makes up a roughly $20 million difference. Why don't you apply that difference to the totals and averages you compared and then see the difference?

And ONCE AGAIN, the A Bigger Bang tour had very little strategic scheduling.

One of your big claims about the Stones just got destroyed!

Wrong...YET AGAIN.

 

[Moggio]

Well, then why did the Stones only average $104 dollars in tickets charged for the 89 stadium shows they did on their last tour?

"...the Stones ONLY averaged $104 dollars in tickets charged for the 89 stadiums shows they did on their last tour"?!!!

Who the hell is averaging $140-$300 dollars in ticket price per STADIUM show?

Exactly.

Say hi to Peter for me!

Huh?

 

[Moggio]

Why are they way off?
I used estimates based on maximum venue capacity and known ticket prices.
Actually I was wrong about Interpol's averages, because the average capacity of the venues played is 4,664 and not 4,000, which still doesn't make any significant difference.

The point is they weren't correct. And probably still aren't.

Can you explain how Snow Patrol could gross more than $181,000 on average and how Interpol could gross more than $150,000 on average?

Well, since the majority of shows they play in Europe are arenas, or at the very least arena-sized, it doesn't take a genius to figure that out...or that your averages are wrong.

What markets would that be exactly?

Any nearby markets that they did not hit. Duh!

They're not:

Snow Patrol:
Concert May 31, 2009 Longhorn (4) Stuttgart, DE Couldn't find anything about capacity but it's a nightclub, so 2,000 max.
Concert May 30, 2009 Philipshalle (2) Düsseldorf, DE Capacity: 7,500
Concert May 28, 2009 Eishalle Deutweg (3) Winterthur, CHE Capacity: 4,300
Concert May 26, 2009 Gasometer (2) Wien, AT Capacity: 2,000
Concert May 24, 2009 Zenith (0) München, DE Capacity: 6,000
Concert May 23, 2009 Columbiahalle (2) Berlin, DE Capacity: 3,500
Concert May 22, 2009 Jahrhunderthalle Frankfurt (0) Frankfurt am Main, DE Capacity: 4,800
Concert May 19, 2009 Vega (1) Copenhagen, DK Capacity: 1,500
Concert May 18, 2009 Cirkus (6) Stockholm, SE Capacity: 1,650

Interpol:
11.12.2010Lisbon Campo Pequeno•Lisbon - Capacity: 9,000
Tickets11.13.2010Palacio Vistalegre•Madrid - Capacity: 15,000
Tickets11.14.2010San Jordi Club•Barcelona - Capacity: 3,000
Tickets11.16.2010Dock Du Sud•Marseille - Capacity: 3,000
Tickets11.17.2010Palasharp•Milan - Capacity: 8,479
Tickets11.18.2010Gasometer•Vienna - Capacity: 2,000
Tickets11.20.2010Tempodrom•Berlin - Capacity: 4,000
Tickets11.21.2010Heineken Music Hall•Amsterdam - Capacity: 5,500
Tickets11.22.2010Westfalenhalle 2•Dortmund - Capacity: 3,000
Tickets03.03.2011Docks•Hamburg - Capacity: 1,250
Tickets03.06.2011Sentrum Scene•Oslo - Capacity: 1,750
Tickets03.07.2011Cirkus•Stockholm - Capacity: 1,650
Tickets03.08.2011KB Hall•Copenhagen - Capacity: 3,000
Tickets03.10.2011Aueensee•Leipzig - Capacity: 2,500
Tickets03.11.2011Rokhall•Luxembourg - Capacity: 6,500
Tickets03.12.2011Kesselhaus•Munich - Capacity: 5,000
Tickets03.14.2011Komplex•Zurich - Capacity: 2,400
Tickets03.15.2011Zenith•Paris - Capacity: 6,400
Tickets03.16.2011Lotto Arena•Antwerp - Attendance: 5,197

Like I said, MOST of the venues they play in Europe are arenas, or at the very least, arena-sized. Thanks for proving my point for me. And btw, The Gasometer in Vienna can hold up to 4,000, not 2,000. I have a feeling that if I checked the capacities for some of the other venues you listed, I might get different results...

Then show us how.

I already have COUNTLESS TIMES.

Because Interpol will open for U2 in East Rutherford and Philadelphia.

So what?

 

[Moggio]

I'm just sayin that if they did do these things I suggested, they could make a lot more money and sell a lot more tickets. All my suggestions are feasible, it's not like I'm suggesting they play stadiums in North Dakota or returning to Istanbul. Were it not for the difficulty of transporting the 360 stage, they could play a lot more markets and make a lot more money. 360's biggest downfall was that they never adapted it to areas to play smaller markets.

That's only partly true. Because you seem to be forgetting that despite U2 not playing some markets, MANY fans traveled to other markets they were hit to see U2...

 

[Moggio]

The fact is, stadium tours for the artist are less time consuming, which makes it very attractive. When your very popular like U2 is, its very difficult to meet the demand in the market by playing arena's. Thats why U2 went to the stadiums in 1987, and why they have stayed in stadiums for the most part with some exceptions, since that time.

You mean LOTS of exceptions. And of course the North American 360 tour shows would have been in arenas, if it weren't for HEAVY strategic scheduling and strong openers.

Madonna could not do a 360 stadium tour, despite what Moggio thinks. Hell, she couldn't even do a 270 stadium tour in most markets in the United States. She is way behind where MOGGIO claims her to be and it will be another one of Moggio's claims that will eventually fall, destroyed by clear facts when her next tour does not gross anywhere near $900 million despite even with MOGGIO's criteria.

ANOTHER MISQUOTE.

The Stones are the only other artist that would have a chance, and that would depend on them announcing the next tour as their last. Without that, there is no way they could do stadiums in 360 and some rumors have them completely giving up on stadiums entirely from now on.

As long as their ticket prices are scaled lower than expected, several artists could, including The Stones...

 

[Moggio]

Well, I think Madonna has huge potential in South Africa, Japan, Australia and New Zealand on her next tour, where she didn't tour in 2008/09. But she played a lot "once in a lifetime" markets in Europe on her Sticky and Sweet Tour she will probably never visit again (St. Petersburg, Tallinn, Bucarest, Athens...) and some markets where demand will inevitably decrease next time (Finland, Norway, Sweden...). As for Europe, I think her numbers will be quite the same or maybe she might even gross less than on her last tour. Also, she's too "unpopular" in North America to beat U2 360°.

I had hope for you...until the last few sentences.