US Presidential Election XII

[BVS]

In serious Republican candidate news:

Rick Perry will be on 'Dancing with the Stars'.

So after November we may have two Republican candidates on reality TV this fall.

How lovely

[womanfish]

Originally Posted by DaveC

 

 

After seeing Rachel Maddow show the expanded video of the interview with the doctor last night. It is quite clear that the doctor either did not write any of the letter, or was given large pieces of what to put in the letter by the Trump campaign.
He was asked directly if Trump had written the letter or assisted in writing the letter. He smiled and looked down, didn't answer. Kinda gave a knowing look - and his, also very odd, wife jumped in and said - Dr. Bornstein wrote that letter. He wrote it, and its enough. You could tell that she was not being truthful.
He then said something that seemed to be missed even by Maddow. "I wrote it while i had a friend sitting in front of me smiling, to be honest"
I'm guessing the friend was either Trump or a campaign person, telling him what to write.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out, if the media actually does their job and digs into it to find out the truth.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by womanfish

It will be interesting to see how this plays out, if the media actually does their job and digs into it to find out the truth.

They won't.

But it's entertaining in a shitstorm kind of way. I mean the letter itself is entertaining, but how adamant the right is about trying to find health issues with Clinton that they create a conspiracy around a flashlight, yet they're just going to let this slide.

[womanfish]

Originally Posted by BVS

They won't.

But it's entertaining in a shitstorm kind of way. I mean the letter itself is entertaining, but how adamant the right is about trying to find health issues with Clinton that they create a conspiracy around a flashlight, yet they're just going to let this slide.

But remember - A donor to the Clinton Foundation asked a Clinton aide to be seated at John Kerry's table at a dinner. A request that was not fulfilled. So clearly, she is selling arms on the black market to hostile countries.

[martha]

Originally Posted by Caleb8844

But to simply pretend this is some wild goose chase is to reject reality

Speaking of rejecting reality, how many Republican investigations have uncovered anything worthwhile?

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Caleb8844

Do you think this is conjecture?

BEAL's argument, I can understand. I might even agree with that on most days. But to simply pretend this is some wild goose chase is to reject reality

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Yeah, because if this was a real scandal that was somehow outside the norm for arms deals, the Ted Cruz(s) of Congress would be keeping quiet?

Reality?

[BEAL]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

And thus sums up this election, and how utterly stupid the Republicans were to not rally around a single candidate early, allowing this mutant to highjack a nomination that was probably going to be there's to take.

Oh, and yea I'd still vote for Hillary over Saint Bernie any day of the week as well, before THAT while thing inevitably starts again.

I don't know Hillary personally. Her public persona isn't really that appealing. She doesn't have the best speaking voice, and when she tries to act with more joyous emotion, it does come off as fake. She's just a nerdy introvert who's had her entire life out in the public.

I feel for her because of what she has gone through. To have a very messy, disgusting marriage crisis played out for all the world to see, how utterly embarrassing and frightening. To have one side of Congress continually go after you, accusation after accusation, well that would make anyone appear unlikable and jaded.

She is the way she is because of the past 25-30 years in the public eye. She probably comes off as mysterious and evil because she knows whatever she does, or says will get turned into a conspiracy.

Even the bad legislation, mistakes in policy that should be debated end up turning into something more sinister that I become numb to, and even just stop caring.

I don't think we need a pity party for her. She chose this life, and it's how our society has evolved (sadly). I just think some perspective, and empathy towards her goes a long way. I don't think she's evil. I just think she's jaded and been tossed into the shit storm too many times.

She has qualifications. She has faults. Instead of discussing these positions, her ideas. We talk about her "hit squad", "emails", and if she's on her death bed.

Despite all of this, she's still 100000000000000000000000000x better candidate than Donald Trump. The GOP had a chance this election. Her faults or not, Hillary is a flawed candidate. Unlikable to many. Yet the GOP went with a man who is even MORE unlikable. Who'll end up with the lowest voter turnout for women and minorities ever.

[iron yuppie]

The "unlikable" piece shouldn't matter at all. She could have the most despicable personality in the world - what does it matter as long as she protects the US economy and promotes equity and safety for US citizens?

[BEAL]

Originally Posted by iron yuppie

The "unlikable" piece shouldn't matter at all. She could have the most despicable personality in the world - what does it matter as long as she protects the US economy and promotes equity and safety for US citizens?

Nothing I have seen of her shows me she'll be any different than Obama in that regard. I see social issues continuing to progress, while the economy will be about the same with her.

I don't see her being more Hawkish than Obama. She'll continue to drone, but don't see us invading anyone.

[corianderstem]

Originally Posted by BEAL

NShe'll continue to drone,

Ugh, stop being so sexist, complaining about her voice! You don't see people doing that about Obam .....


Oh. Oops. Never mind.

[BigMacPhisto]

Originally Posted by BEAL

I don't see her being more Hawkish than Obama. She'll continue to drone, but don't see us invading anyone.

Uh, no. Did you not read the article posted in here the other day? She was always arguing for more involvement and ground troops when she worked for this administration. Of course she's going to be more hawkish than Obama, and for me, that's the problem that we can't really fix. The left may be able to persuade her to move in their direction enough that her administration functions as the third term of Obama, but we're likely to make no headway in changing her mind regarding foreign affairs and that's a shame.

[Moonlit_Angel]

Originally Posted by BVS

In serious Republican candidate news:

Rick Perry will be on 'Dancing with the Stars'.

So after November we may have two Republican candidates on reality TV this fall.

How lovely

Yeah, that news did not make me happy .

I'm hoping the show can do a double elimination the first week and let both him and Ryan Lochte go at once ..

[bono_212]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

What's really annoying is those little iPad looking credit card processing machines you see at a bunch of small businesses. Where they swipe your card and you sign and it prompts you for a tip... except you didn't receive a service that you traditionally tip on. Someone made you a coffee or something, and you feel awkwardly guilty for clicking the "No Tip" button instead of one of the suggested percentages.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. When you're getting a full wage, I don't think I need to tip you for taking my money. Sorry.

[BEAL]

Wonder how the meeting between Trump and the President of Mexico goes down.

Assume the Wall Deal will be signed and sealed.

[Caleb8844]

Originally Posted by BVS

Yeah, because if this was a real scandal that was somehow outside the norm for arms deals, the Ted Cruz(s) of Congress would be keeping quiet?



Reality?

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...turn-donations

It's like we're not even gonna bother to do rudimentary google searches before rebutting. Not only can we find the Ted Cruz(s) of congress commenting, we can find Ted Cruz himself commenting. Over a year ago.

Additionally, by what mathematical logic can you say a more than 100% increase in the amount of arms deals is not outside of the norm for arms deals? That makes no sense whatsoever

Not going to discuss what other republican investigations have shown, because that's an obvious non sequitur.


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[Caleb8844]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

And thus sums up this election, and how utterly stupid the Republicans were to not rally around a single candidate early, allowing this mutant to highjack a nomination that was probably going to be there's to take.

Oh, and yea I'd still vote for Hillary over Saint Bernie any day of the week as well, before THAT while thing inevitably starts again.

Agree with every word of this. Though I'd only not vote Bernie because I probably couldn't afford to


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[BVS]

Originally Posted by Caleb8844

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...turn-donations

It's like we're not even gonna bother to do rudimentary google searches before rebutting. Not only can we find the Ted Cruz(s) of congress commenting, we can find Ted Cruz himself commenting. Over a year ago.

Additionally, by what mathematical logic can you say a more than 100% increase in the amount of arms deals is not outside of the norm for arms deals? That makes no sense whatsoever

I'm sorry, where did he discuss the arms deal? That article just spoke of normal campaigning against a candidate.

I'm saying if this arms deal was a real issue then he would be speaking about this IN CONGRESS. I haven't heard one person in Congress speak to the arms deal in question, just of the foundation. And most of that is just typical politicking.

[Caleb8844]

Originally Posted by BVS

I'm sorry, where did he discuss the arms deal? That article just spoke of normal campaigning against a candidate.



I'm saying if this arms deal was a real issue then he would be speaking about this IN CONGRESS. I haven't heard one person in Congress speak to the arms deal in question, just of the foundation. And most of that is just typical politicking.

Did you read the original comment?

The original comment is pointing to a connection between foreign governments donating to the Clinton foundation and then receiving a vast increase in weapons deals approved by the state department.

Congress rejected the Bahrain deal. The administration went around congress.

The question here is corruption.

As for Cruz coming out against the arms deal...when has Ted Cruz become anyone's moral guide to arms deals?

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[BVS]

Originally Posted by Caleb8844

As for Cruz coming out against the arms deal...when has Ted Cruz become anyone's moral guide to arms deals?

Moral guide? That's not the point at all.

The issue is the arms deal. Would it have been any different if it weren't for the donation. Correct?!

I'm saying if you're a member of Congress and a questionable arms deal is happening, that's a political football that you would jump on and run into the ground. That would be HUGE. That would be Iran Contra political fodder. But no one in Congress is jumping on it. So if the arms deal alone isn't an issue, then making this connection with the foundation is indeed just another political goose chase.

[Bluer White]

Originally Posted by Caleb8844

Emails Show Clinton Foundation Donor Reached Out To Hillary Clinton Before Arms Export Boost

This is actually just hilarious to me at this point

Oh

Clinton emailed classified information after leaving State Dept. | New York Post

Hillary Clinton continued sending classified information even after leaving the State Department, The Post has exclusively learned.

On May 28, 2013, months after stepping down as secretary of state, Clinton sent an email to a group of diplomats and top aides about the “123 Deal” with the United Arab Emirates.

But the email, which was obtained by the Republican National Committee through a Freedom of Information Act request, was heavily redacted upon its release by the State Department because it contains classified information.

The markings on the email state it will be declassified on May 28, 2033, and that information in the note is being redacted because it contains “information regarding foreign governors” and because it contains “Foreign relations or foreign activities of the United States, including confidential sources.”

The email from Clinton was sent from the email account — hrod17@clintonemail.com — associated with her private email server.

The email’s recipients were Deputy Secretary of State William Burns, diplomat Jeffrey Feltman, policy aide Jake Sullivan, diplomat Kurt Campbell, State Department chief of staff Cheryl Mills, and Clinton aide Huma Abedin.

We're just as shocked as you, Caleb