US Presidential Election XII

[Debra S]

Originally Posted by BVS

Why exactly are you taken aback?



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I was wondering if someone would comment on this (Stein's proposal to remove all US military bases-some 200 actually). Yes, it seems an imposition or an "imperial" kind of situation, but it has developed in the modern era as a result of international threats, such as communism, and the need to bolster our allies with military assistance. Like it or not, the US is the leader of the free world, and we need those bases just in case some attack would ever come. Look at Russia, advancing in Ukraine and the Crimea, for instance, or China building islands in the South China sea...

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Debra S

I was wondering if someone would comment on this (Stein's proposal to remove all US military bases-some 200 actually). Yes, it seems an imposition or an "imperial" kind of situation, but it has developed in the modern era as a result of international threats, such as communism, and the need to bolster our allies with military assistance. Like it or not, the US is the leader of the free world, and we need those bases just in case some attack would ever come. Look at Russia, advancing in Ukraine and the Crimea, for instance, or China building islands in the South China sea...

I just find it curious, since Trump claims he'll do the same thing.

Were you not aware?

[Debra S]

No I had not heard that. He has been talking of bolstering our military, building it back up from a weaker position under Obama...I would assume that includes overseas. evidence??

[BigMacPhisto]

What's everybody's shock that Bernie could afford those homes? He doesn't live a lavish lifestyle and has made a considerable annual income for decades as a member of Congress. He's made millions in congressional salary, so what do you really expect?

Also, his campaign used items such as his book to give out to people that donated, etc. If he were to make a couple bucks in royalties off each one of those, that's a substantial amount of money to be made and it's nothing illegal either (Trump, himself, made it so he would be owning the company selling the hats to his campaign, I'm sure the Obama campaign used his books as donation tools, etc.)

But, no, let's just start harping on something we know nothing about regarding Sander's finances simply because we're still jealous that the heart, soul & youth of the party had the gall to nearly stop us from getting to tell our kids we voted for a female President right after the black guy.

Clinton has made more doing an average handful of corporate speeches than Bernie will ever see in a life time. Deal with it.




And I just did the math for all of you. From his 1991 term through 2014, Bernie made $3,651,000 and that doesn't count other business interests, potential investments, book earnings, etc. But, "OMG HE'S BUYING A $600,000 HOME!"

[corianderstem]

Fair point about the tone-deafness of Trump holding a rally in Milwaukee. however, West Bend is a LOL-worthy choice to speak about Milwaukee. It's over an hour away so might as well be Madison or Green Bay.

Plenty of other cities closer to Actual Milwaukee he could have chosen if he wanted to actually talk to the population he was supposedly addressing.

signed,

Former Milwaukee-adjacent resident (one county west, but still closer than West Bend)

[DaveC]

Originally Posted by BigMacPhisto

But, no, let's just start harping on something we know nothing about regarding Sander's finances simply because we're still jealous that the heart, soul & youth of the party had the gall to nearly stop us from getting to tell our kids we voted for a female President right after the black guy.

fucking troll behavior.

[BigMacPhisto]

Yes, expressing an opinion about others having had their heart set on Clinton for eight years now must be trolling. Or was #ItsHerTurn not a thing?

Her grand coalition of racists that couldn't stand voting for Obama in the 2008 primaries, corporatists who are only on the left for the social issues because they hate paying taxes on their substantial incomes (some of which love to post in this thread), low information voters who admitted not knowing who Sanders was by the time they cast their ballots, and blacks who vote as an embarrassing monolith for whatever Democratic candidate they perceive to be the blackest (congratulations on already being halfway to the 2024 nomination, Mr. Booker!).

But it's alright, in about ten years the millennials will make up a plurality of the party's voters. A high school educated Clinton voter dies and a seventeen year old, eventual college graduate Sanders supporter registers to vote. I like that. #MakingThePartyHaveASoulAgain

[BVS]

Originally Posted by BigMacPhisto

And I just did the math for all of you. From his 1991 term through 2014, Bernie made $3,651,000 and that doesn't count other business interests, potential investments, book earnings, etc. But, "OMG HE'S BUYING A $600,000 HOME!"

I think the shock comes from his initial net worth release, which claimed his whole net worth was $500,000. So that shows us he's either really horrible with money, or he's not being honest.

[BigMacPhisto]

Or you somehow think he would have kept every penny all of these years...that number above obviously doesn't mean he'd have 3.6 million dollars in 2014, christ. There's a thing called expenses that you have to pay as you live your life.

Might as well frame your illogical post above mine as an example of that jealousy I was just talking about.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by BigMacPhisto

Or you somehow think he would have kept every penny all of these years...that number above obviously doesn't mean he'd have 3.6 million dollars in 2014, christ. There's a thing called expenses that you have to pay as you live your life.

Might as well frame your illogical post above mine as an example of that jealousy I was just talking about.

:facepalm:

Do you understand how one's net worth is calculated?

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Debra S

No I had not heard that. He has been talking of bolstering our military, building it back up from a weaker position under Obama...I would assume that includes overseas. evidence??

This is a pretty well known stance, I'm surprised you're not aware.

Donald Trump Doesn’t Understand the Value of U.S. Bases Overseas | Foreign Policy

U.S. Foreign Military Support

The Many Ways Trump Has Turned the U.S. Foreign-Policy Consensus Upside Down - The Atlantic

Former NATO chief: Donald Trump is a global risk – POLITICO

[BigMacPhisto]

Originally Posted by BVS

:facepalm:

Do you understand how one's net worth is calculated?

Absolutely. And when you pay for rent, groceries, electric bills, yada yada that's all money that disappears. What is so hard to understand here? Your net worth isn't the cumulative earnings you've made over decades. It's your cash on hand and assets that can range from stock holdings to property.

Also of note, Sanders was also substantially in debt in the early nineties and had to leverage his house because he had campaign debts to pay off.

Whereas Hillary Clinton needlessly ran up millions in campaign debt for her ongoing fruitless 2008 effort which the DNC ended up paying for entirely. Because, you know, the queen.

[LuckyNumber7]

Taxes taxes taxes taxes

[BVS]

Originally Posted by BigMacPhisto

Absolutely. And when you pay for rent, groceries, electric bills, yada yada that's all money that disappears. What is so hard to understand here? Your net worth isn't the cumulative earnings you've made over decades. It's your cash on hand and assets that can range from stock holdings to property.

I'm just saying if I had made over 3 million in that time period, invested, book earnings, and owned 2 homes; my net worth would be a lot more than 500,000. Hell 2 homes alone would put you there. I make much less than he does and I'm close to that number and he has a few decades on me.

[BigMacPhisto]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

Taxes taxes taxes taxes

That too. And the congressional salary is all income so Sanders would never even see a substantial portion of that due to taxes. Probably about 30-40% of that money is gone right out of the gate.

[BVS]

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/gre...in-texas-poll/

I'm just glad Deez is back in the race.

[BigMacPhisto]

Originally Posted by BVS

I'm just saying if I had made over 3 million in that time period, invested, book earnings, and owned 2 homes; my net worth would be a lot more than 500,000. Hell 2 homes alone would put you there. I make much less than he does and I'm close to that number and he has a few decades on me.

And were you also saddled with hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt twenty years ago or had to pay for a Washington D.C. apartment and expenses for decades, etc.?

And it's a free country. You can spend what you like and you don't have to invest a single dime in the stock market which itself is never a guarantee to pay off. We also have no idea how much of his money went to family members or charitable donations, etc. I also have no idea if mortgage debt can count against your net worth (perhaps it should?) or if Sanders could have just given a house to a kid for free, etc.

Sanders went into all of this as a guy who does no DNC fundraising, hasn't left politics for a corporate job and was merely a former Mayor before he became a congressman. He didn't enter Washington D.C. with millions in stock or owning a successful company like most of our members of congress. Of course he's going to be broke in comparison to everyone else because all he has earned, for the most part, is that salary.

But it's more perplexing that you still care to try and throw a knife in to the guy or try and argue about all of the minutiae of Trump. The election is literally over already and unless you're just wanting to be super proud of your candidate or get some vicarious thrill out of beating the big bad that is Trump, none of this matters whatsoever. No candidate in the history of polling (since World War II) has ever come back to win it when they've been behind at this stage in the election. Ever. It's done.

 

Clinton wins. Democrats take back the Senate. Republicans retain the House.

And for 2018:

 

Republicans make gains back in Congress regardless of their party's approval rating because of low turn-out mid-terms.

And 2020:

 

Clinton is re-elected and the Democrats make gains in both house of Congress but Republicans retain the House for obvious reasons.

And for 2022:

 

Republicans make gains back in Congress regardless of their party's approval rating because of low turn-out mid-terms.

Seriously. There's such a thing as guaranteed outcomes and we're now living it given predictable election turnout and this country's demographic trends. These fears over Trump winning (which are invalid although he did rightfully give people a scare a few months back) or saying that another Democrat can't win (Sanders would have this in the bag by a mile, just like any other person with a D attached to their name) are flat out ludicrous. Personality driven politics no longer apply and the results are almost all turnout driven.

[Bluer White]

Bernie's been outta the race for months. The lingering vitriol here is impressive.

Not surprising, but impressive nonetheless.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by BigMacPhisto

But it's more perplexing that you still care to try and throw a knife in to the guy or try and argue about all of the minutiae of Trump. The election is literally over already and unless you're just wanting to be super proud of your candidate or get some vicarious thrill out of beating the big bad that is Trump, none of this matters whatsoever. No candidate in the history of polling (since World War II) has ever come back to win it when they've been behind at this stage in the election. Ever. It's done.

I have no clue as to what you're going on about. You asked why it's such a shock, and I explained to you why. You claim your net worth is 500,000 and all of a sudden you buy a third house apparently worth more than your entire net worth at 74. That doesn't really compute.

This isn't some "knife throw" that's just happening in Interference, it's raising eyebrows all over. As it should.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Bluer White

Bernie's been outta the race for months. The lingering vitriol here is impressive.

Not surprising, but impressive nonetheless.

Yeah, so much "vitriol"

Man you must cower in the corner when you go to Breitbart or Fox News.