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Old 08-15-2016, 08:36 PM   #321
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Old 08-15-2016, 08:42 PM   #322
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what a fucking idiot this clown is. this is the very definition of selling out.

The party as a whole has sold out to the post fact celebration of ignorance.

Gravity no longer exists guys. Get out there and fucking flap your arms.


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Old 08-15-2016, 09:23 PM   #324
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Is Rudy one of the smart people who are talking?
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Okay, I've read a bit about Juantia Broaddrick's accusations and I will say this:

I don't know if her allegations are true or not, but it's certainly possible this happened and she should be treated with sensitivity.

However. Why is everyone, including Broaddrick, so much madder at Hillary over this than Bill?

Did Hillary do a handshake wrong in 1978 or whatever year it was that Broaddrick said it happened? I don't know.

I am inclined to believe accusers. Let's say it's true that Hillary did whatever she is supposed to have done to discredit these women. That's bad. But you know what? Maybe I'm just old and cynical, but I don't think there's a career politician out there who doesn't have bodies buried somewhere.

I'm still voting for her. I don't have to like every decision she's made, or every action she's taken. That's the way it goes. There is no perfect candidate.

And no, I'm not voting for Jill Stein. I'm voting to ensure that Trump gets nowhere near the White House and the Supreme Court justices the next POTUS will appoint.
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No, just bought into the new party platform. Trump says Obama founded ISIS, so the minions repeat the narrative. You wanted anti-establishment; we tried to warn you.


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Hell, let's just set aside the noted thing about Giuliani's history of using 9/11 as he did politically that makes his comments even more absurd. Let's set aside the fact that what he said is so blatantly NOT TRUE it's not even funny?

No, the worst part of what he said is that it's one hell of a nasty slap in the face to the families of the victims who died on 9/11, or the first responders who had to go in and rescue people and pull out bodies and so on. They would certainly beg to differ with how "unsuccessful" that attack was.

Re: Cori's comments about Hilary and the women making accusations. I'll need to go look up the details, too, but like I said a couple pages back, I'm not surprised that Hilary would want to dismiss any nasty accusations against her husband for the simple fact that, well, naturally, she, like many wives, would want to believe in their husband's innocence in such situations. It's one thing to suspect or acknowledge that your husband might be, or is, having an affair. It's something else entirely to have to deal with and accept the possibility your husband might've sexually assaulted a woman.

Now, if Hilary used some rather nasty means to try and discredit those women, that would be a valid concern worth discussing. But if we're equating dismissing/discrediting those women with her simply wanting to believe in her husband's innocence against nasty accusations, well, she's certainly not the first woman to do that, nor would she be the last, and again, I can understand why she would do that.

Even then, though, like Cori said, this is ultimately Bill's problem to deal with, not hers. It shouldn't be her job to try and prove or disprove these women's accusations to begin with, because she's not the one who's being accused of those crimes. That's something Bill needs to address and deal with.
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And no, I'm not voting for Jill Stein.
An anti-vaxxer whack. Nope.
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With good timing given our discussion recently, here's another example of Hillary Clinton discrediting another woman's claim of rape:

'You have right to be believed' edited out of Clinton website | TheHill
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An anti-vaxxer whack. Nope.

In her defense, from what I've read, this was taken mostly out of context. I don't know if she's very whack, or anti-vax, at that.

Either way, not my cup of tea.
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Yeah, the more I hear about Stein, the less I like her - and I vote Green in both Australia and New Zealand. But she just does not appear to be competent or capable.
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Stein's proposed ban on GMOs until they're "proven safe", whatever the hell that means, is... telling.


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Yeah, the more I hear about Stein, the less I like her - and I vote Green in both Australia and New Zealand. But she just does not appear to be competent or capable.
I feel much the same way, but ultimately still infinitely more preferable to Hillary - without a second thought.
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she's the left's version of Dr Ben Carson. Intelligent, seems like she should be a good choice, but then she opens her mouth and all sorts of wacky shit comes out.

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It took a while, but Giuliani is finally getting the backlash he's always deserved. His being praised for post-9/11 response is like Christie being praised for post-Sandy response. Any mildly competent politician would have done that.

A lot of the problems this country experiences with law enforcement these days can be traced back to Broken Windows, which had Giuliani as a lead sponsor.
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