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I had an awesome Reggie Jackson mitt once
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Seems like a bit of a tosser....
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Mitt's gonna win the nomination, and get crushed in the general election when the conservative protestant evanglicals sit on their couches rather than go out and vote for a Mormon. the delicious irony of the GOP having to eat their own intolerance after wielding blind ignorance to win the 2004 election.
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you should dig through some of the threads about Mormonism in here. the evangelicals get ker-azy when Mormons try to claim that they are Christians of equal footing and are actually not a cult. me? i don't give a shit. i don't care about a candidate's religon. but is the GOP who tried to tell us that these things matter and that GWB's status as a Christian -- and remember his whole laughable crap about Harriet Miers and "knowing her heart" -- was criteria enough for his election. you and your friends might be tolerant of Mormons, but as a group, conservative evangelical protestants are not. |
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That said, the tide is changing a bit, probably not enough but- here are a few noteworthy links: Ravi Zacharias Addresses Latter Day Saints: http://existence-of-god.com/ravi-zac...esses-lds.html http://pewforum.org/events/?EventID=148 http://www.mormonapologetics.org/ind...oseph+baptists |
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hey, i totally agree with you. the suburb i grew up in had an unusually high population of Moromons, i think the highest percentage-wise of any town of it's size east of the Mississippi. the Mormons in my town were as much a "group" as, say, the East Asian Indians, or the Jews, or whatever. i had many Mormon friends and they were all pretty much delightful, smart, wonderful people. blond, played the piano, had biggish families, and i have nothing but positive things to say. do i think the religion itslef is wacky? yeah. but it doesn't matter much to me -- burning bushes and flying up to heaven and walking on water is all pretty wacky too. the difference, diamond, is that a secular agnostic humanist such as myself isn't going to hold this against a Mormon candidate. whereas the Christians the Republicans have hitched their wagons to are precisely the kind of people who are going to hold this against Mitt. you see? secularism will save us, every time. making religion a necessary litmus test for higher office is going to come back and bite you in the ass. secularism! secularism! secularism! to many of these Christians, being a Mormon is as anti-Biblical as being ... gay! and i just find it funny when -- and we've seen this over and over in here when our more conservative posters get in a tizzy about Mormonism -- some Christians try to pretend that Mormonism is somehow structurally weirder than their own relgion, and it gives them the creepy feeling that, in the manner in which they look down upon Mormonism so do many look down upon their particularly conservative stripe of Christianity. say it again: SECULARISM!!! |
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Thank you for that kind words Irvine.
![]() And as in this post from a Evangaical some our changing their minds, maybe not enough, but it is a start: “I am now convinced that we evangelicals have often seriously misrepresented the beliefs and practices of the Mormon community. Indeed, let me state it bluntly to the LDS folk here this evening: we have sinned against you. The God of the Scriptures makes it clear that it is a terrible thing to bear false witness against our neighbours, and we have been guilty of that sort of transgression in the things we have said about you. We have told you what you believe without making a sincere effort first of all to ask you what you believe... Indeed, we have even on occasion demonised you, weaving conspiracy theories about what the LDS community is really trying to accomplish in the world, and even at our best, we have, and this is true of both our communities, talked past each other, setting forth over-simplified and distorted accounts of what the other group believes.” To keep things in perspective, Mitt is running for Commander in Chief- not Mormon in Chief, and he has made this abuntantly clear. thanks again. dbs |
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absolutely. it was sheer poison to introduce Christianity as a specific criterion upon which to judge a candidates electability in 2000 and 2004. hopefully, we can cleanse this from the system in 2008, but i fear the Rove/Bush legacy may linger far longer. |
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Check this: http://www.lds.org/portal/site/LDSOr...ontentLocale=0 Although it is still not exactly what Gays are hoping for, I think as a culture our tone is much friendly to same gender attraction people, admittingly that it still doesn't please everybody, but there are a lot of gay Mormons that still choose to stay in the Church for one reason or another. Contrast that with this: This is a very interesting and telling clip. 2 "Evangelicals demonstrators" debating eachother. One hates Mormons, the other hates Gays. Take a look, go down to the link entitled, "Preaching Against Fred Phelps/Westboro Baptist Church" and see 2 camps scream back and forth at eachother: http://www.revivalneeded.com/video.html As a Mormon Christian, I pity them both, and most fairminded ppl would be able to see my Church's views are less confrontational, contentious and much different than Evangalicals. dbs |
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This does not change my initial statement whatsoever. Many religions, including that of many evangelical Christians and Mormonism, have a view of "homosexuality" that is filled with lies ("it's a choice"), unsubstantiated conspiratorial claims ("they're out to get our children"), and pseudoscientific stereotypes ("they must have had a weak father"). Let's face it, diamond, you've regurgitated many of them here in this forum too. I do understand why it is frustrating for you, as a Mormon, to see a world that misrepresents your religious beliefs and constructs a kind of two-dimensional "boogie man" out of you. I find it baffling, as such, that, in light of these misunderstandings and societal prejudices against you, that you and other Mormons cannot see that your church's stance against homosexuals is as inane as mainstream Christianity's disgust with your religion. But I have long since learned that empathy is often too much to ask out of people. |
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I do have plenty of empathy, and I think you think I have none, but you're mistaken.
In the end I know that God will sort through everything and each case, eternity is a long time. Each indivual will know exactly where they stand, because God who is perfect with uncondtional love, is a place where only truth can dwell. I also think that some with dictorial, pious and judgemental views may have a rude awakening. So please in the future do not say that my Church demonizes gay ppl, because they do not and the premise is inflamatory, nor does Mitt Romney who the thread is about. If you want to say some mainline Christians do, you'd would be more accuarte, and it's too bad they do. dbs |
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PEOPLE, dammit, PEOPLE
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that's fascinating. are we misunderstanding you, diamond, or are you saying that an individual who is gay is not worth of being called a "people" just a "ppl"? that being gay is so unnatural as to revoke someone's personhood? just curious. are we misinterpreting you? |
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I use the word "ppl" as a form of shorthand on the boards, a quick search would establish that. dbs |
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http://www.lathefamily.org/2007/05/w...urt_of_e.shtml Again, nothing at all that I've written or what I've read from you have contradicted these two basic premises: 1) The LDS church, like many Christian denominations, excommunicate gays who do not want to be celibate. 2) The LDS church, like many Christian denominations, hold views about gays that are stereotypical, pseudoscientific, and flat-out wrong. By extension, we're back to my original point: just like Mormons decry the fact that many mainstream Christians hold stereotypical, conspiratorial, and incorrect views on what Mormons believe, Mormons hold stereotypical, conspiratorial, and incorrect views on the issue of homosexuality. For the record, I do view this discrepancy to be "hypocrisy," but I will say, for the record, that Mormons are not the only ones who are hypocritical on this subject. In fact, considering how many conservative Christians think that there's a "War Against God" in America, I'd say that they're all hypocrites. |
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