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Old 08-31-2008, 06:27 PM   #621
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I got to tip my at to Harry Vest in calling this way way back.

That said; Sarah rocks.

She has more backbone than Dan Qualyle and has better approval rating then Quayle ever had-so attempting to label her "Dan Quayle in a skirt" makes them look desperate and mean spirited.

And remember Quayle made it to the White House.

In the coming monthe soccer moms, hockey moms, conservative Dems and Indies will embrace her, a smidgeon of PUMAS-just enough to put Mac over the top.

Johnny Mac the Maverick has outsmarted everyone.

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I would not call it a mistake


I would call it bad evidence.



Obama never said the the photos of " labs" that Colin Powell presented at the U N were fakes.

and that is why he would not support the War.

He, like all of us believed they were legit.

and he did not want Saddam stopped?
When I joined the forum, in 2005, you were against the Iraq war, correct?

How many times have you changed your mind?

Will you change it again?

To quote Thatcher, 'The lady's not for turning'.

I respect Obama's consistency on the Iraq war issue. I respect politicians who are consistent.
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I would not call it a mistake


I would call it bad evidence.



Obama never said the the photos of " chemical labs in Iraq" that Colin Powell presented at the U N were fakes.

and that is why he would not support the War.

He, like all of us believed they were legit.

and he did not want Saddam stopped?
At the time, were you against going into Iraq?
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I got to tip my at to Harry Vest in calling this way way back.

That said; Sarah rocks.

She has more backbone than Dan Qualyle and has better approval rating then Quayle evr had.

In the coming monthe soccer moms, hockey moms, conservative Dems and Indies will embrace her- and a few PUMAS.

Johnny Mac the Maverick outsmatred everyone.

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Even Bill O'Reilly acknowledges that the decision to invade Iraq was based on a mistaken premise.
The fact that Saddam was in violation of multiple UN resolutions vital to the security of the region is not a mistake, nor is his past behavior, conventional miltiary capabilities, or the WMD related programs that were found after the invasion that were in total violation of the resolutions and were never shown to UN inspectors.

The other issue is the collapse the sanctions and embargo regime designed to contain Saddam. Even without all the other things, this alone would make the invasion necessary.
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He was not right at all.

The Senators that saw the "evidence" voted 77 -23, I think.

If a jury brings in a verdict, based on the evidence. They are right.

If it is later found out the "evidence" was wrong.

Then you can say, the Defense was right, the defendant was not guilty afer all.
But, the conclusion was not wrong.


Obama was completely wrong on the surge and he did not bother to do any due diligence than you or I.
There was never any evidence that Saddam had complied with any of the requirements placed on him after his invasion of Kuwait in 1990.
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At the time, were you against going into Iraq?

yes,

but I did not have clearance to see the evidence

I have quite a bit of faith in Colin Powell
and I believe he would not gone along if they had given him what he believed to credible evidence.

that is why, he walked away from Bush/Cheney and said that day at the U N was the worst day of his life.
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There was never any evidence that Saddam had complied with any of the requirements placed on him after his invasion of Kuwait in 1990.
Come now, Sting, don't be coy. You know you want to say it.
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I got to tip my at to Harry Vest in calling this way way back.

That said; Sarah rocks.

She has more backbone than Dan Qualyle and has better approval rating then Quayle ever had-so attempting to label her "Dan Quayle in a skirt" makes them look desperate and mean spirited.

And remember Quayle made it to the White House.

In the coming monthe soccer moms, hockey moms, conservative Dems and Indies will embrace her, a smidgeon of PUMAS-just enough to put Mac over the top.

Johnny Mac the Maverick has outsmarted everyone.

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Wrong.
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Did Saddam try to have GHB assasinated?

What's the policy when an attempted assination is made on the head of state in our country?

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There was never any evidence that Saddam had complied with any of the requirements placed on him after his invasion of Kuwait in 1990.
yes,

I know, and one of his head guys just said they had to keep the facade up to prevent Iran and the Shia from launching another invasion.
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Wrong.


which part?

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yes,

but I did not have clearance to see the evidence

I have quite a bit of faith in Colin Powell
and I believe he would not gone along if they had given him what he believed to credible evidence.

that is why, he walked away from Bush/Cheney and said that day at the U N was the worst day of his life.
Colin Powell still supports the invasion and removal of Saddam to this day, because the justification never ever rested on finding WMD A, inside of building F.
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yes,

but I did not have clearance to see the evidence
On what basis were you opposed to it, then? Or are you saying that your opposition was misguided?

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I have quite a bit of faith in Colin Powell
and I believe he would not gone along if they had given him what he believed to credible evidence.
Why weren't you convinced of the need for the war after his UN speech?
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There was never any evidence that Saddam had complied with any of the requirements placed on him after his invasion of Kuwait in 1990.
There was indeed evidence from Blitter that Saddam had complied with the vast majority of the requirements.
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yes,

I know, and one of his head guys just said they had to keep the facade up to prevent Iran and the Shia from launching another invasion.
Failing to account for over 1,000 liters of anthrax, 500 pounds of nerve gas, 500 pounds of mustard gas, thousands of artillery shells, and maintaining programs related to the production of WMD that Iraq was not supposed to have, was not a facade.
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It must be so tough, sting, to hold back.

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How do you contain yourself?
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Did Saddam try to have GHB assasinated?

What's the policy when an attempted assination is made on the head of state in our country?

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Great argument. Too bad W didn't invade Iraq in 1993 when the assassination attempt actually took place.
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Great argument. Too bad W didn't invade Iraq in 1993 when the assassination attempt actually took place.
Wait a sec, diamond is onto something. I mean, quite obviously the policy for an attempted assassination is to hold a grudge against that country and invade it some 12 years later. In that context the Iraq War is perfectly justifiable.

I know I have no qualms about it now that I see it in this light.
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When I joined the forum, in 2005, you were against the Iraq war, correct?

How many times have you changed your mind?

Will you change it again?

To quote Thatcher, 'The lady's not for turning'.

I respect Obama's consistency on the Iraq war issue. I respect politicians who are consistent.
I don't deny I was against

and I never would


but, us a**holes on the internet, don't always get things right

and sometimes we get it right
for the wrong reasons.



my agile, non-reptilian brain allows me to refine my opinions with new and better information


now, W is a different story


i'll see your Thacher

and raise you one Byrds tune ( I have no idea who wrote the lyrics )


To everything (turn, turn, turn)
There is a season (turn, turn, turn)
And a time for every purpose, under heaven

A time to be born, a time to die
A time to plant, a time to reap
A time to kill, a time to heal
A time to laugh, a time to weep

To everything (turn, turn, turn)
There is a season (turn, turn, turn)
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