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Old 01-11-2002, 10:02 AM   #21
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well it appears i was dead wrong.
i must say, i'm surprised.
i wouldn't say i personally am that offended by it, i just figured a lot of others would take great offense to it.
well a lot of others have responded and none have been that offended besides one, april.

*is tempted to see how far he can push this offensive trend...by proclaiming Pop to be the most rockingest thing ever.

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*is tempted to see how far he can push this offensive trend...by proclaiming Pop to be the most rockingest thing ever.

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Old 01-11-2002, 10:51 AM   #23
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no, you asked whether or not a gay person naturally has a "gay" voice or not, not whether or not they are born gay. say what you mean and mean what you say.

Its related. People are born gay. But are gay men born with a gay voice that will become apparant when they mature?

I have another twist to the discussion. Do gay men speak with the a "gay" voice to let other gay men know that they are gay. Traditionally, it has been much more difficult to seek a gay partner since 95% (guess) of the population is heterosexual. It has become easier though with the advent of gay bars and the internet. Did this "voice" evolve to counter that problem.

I would love to get a response from a gay person regarding these issues. I know however, that many gay people on this forum are not "out" to the forum so don't feel obliged to post.

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kobayashi, I can see your point, and I will admit that the topic is discomifiting to me. Mainly because it assumes that gay people speak with "gay" voices. I have several gay friends and they don't have that feminine "cutesy" voice at all. So to me, it seems like a stereotype. I also have a few guy friends that are very much straight that speak with a lisp and sound "gay". So I dunno. Seems like a bit of a broad generalization to me.
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kobayashi, I can see your point, and I will admit that the topic is discomifiting to me
that's all i'm askin' for. someone finally threw me a bone!

CK i think muc of the debate surrounding your post stems from the way in which you have framed the question. by beginning the post with a rash generalization such as
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'You ever hear a guy who sounds completely gay? Its that tone....that just tells you that he's gay.'
you are immediately going to turn off a certain # of people, i guess that is what put me off as well. perhaps if the same question had been stated as your belief that homosexuality is genetic, are then it's extensions that are present within the gay community also genetic?

you are still making the rash generalization in my example but it's not as overt.
this is all rhetoric however since, imo, you have answered the question: working from your basis that homosexuality is genetic and your own admission that you are sure some homosexuals do not have the lisp to which you are referring, would that not prove to you that the lisp then is learned and not genetic?


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kobayashi, I can see your point, and I will admit that the topic is discomifiting to me. Mainly because it assumes that gay people speak with "gay" voices. I have several gay friends and they don't have that feminine "cutesy" voice at all. So to me, it seems like a stereotype. I also have a few guy friends that are very much straight that speak with a lisp and sound "gay". So I dunno. Seems like a bit of a broad generalization to me.

You are absolutley right, we are generalizing here. I'm only commenting on why there is a greater percentage of gay men who have that "feminine 'cutesy' voice" when compared to heterosexual men.

Have you ever met a person who you thought was gay without actually knowing for sure? If you did, how did you come up with that assumption. Was it the way they spoke, acted, dressed, etc. Are those signals being emitted for the purpose to let you or a prospective partner know that they are gay?

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CK i think muc of the debate surrounding your post stems from the way in which you have framed the question. by beginning the post with a rash generalization such as

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'You ever hear a guy who sounds completely gay? Its that tone....that just tells you that he's gay.


How is a rash generalization if I'm referring to one guy?

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Old 01-11-2002, 12:03 PM   #28
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[BHow is a rash generalization if I'm referring to one guy?

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i apologize. i didn't realize this is whole discussion was based on one individual who is gay by way of his voice according to you. i assumed your question was rhetorical and we were referring to the gay community.

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Old 01-11-2002, 01:44 PM   #29
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I'm only commenting on why there is a greater percentage of gay men who have that "feminine 'cutesy' voice" when compared to heterosexual men.CK
Whoa there, sonny! I completely disagree here. I do not believe that the majority of gay men have that voice. Maybe that's just the ones you notice?
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Well I wasnt going to reply to this. And my initial reaction when I read this thread last nite + Kobayashi's one reply made me feel like I should close it. Only for the reason that TheU2, you have no tact. You really need to work on how you present a question and maybe stop to think that it might indeed offend some people. It's all how you say things, not always what exactly is said.

But since so far it seems the debate is under control, carry on. Just think about what I said for next time please.

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I'm only commenting on why there is a greater percentage of gay men who have that "feminine 'cutesy' voice" when compared to heterosexual men.CK
Whoa there, sonny! I completely disagree here. I do not believe that the majority of gay men have that voice. Maybe that's just the ones you notice?

I didn't say that the majority of gay men have that "voice". If you reread my statement, you will notice that I said there is a greater percentage of gay men who have that voice compared to the heterosexual population. To illustrate:

100 gay men
100 straight men

10 gay men or 10% have that "voice". 2 straight men or 2% have that "voice". That is what I mean when I say there is a greater % of gay men who have that voice compared to straight men.

Why is the % of people who have that "voice" greater for gay men?

I'm hoping your're taking this analysis with a grain of salt. Its obvious I made up the numbers, however, I think I would have some agreement that the % of gay men with that "voice" is higher than the % of straight men.

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i apologize. i didn't realize this is whole discussion was based on one individual who is gay by way of his voice according to you. i assumed your question was rhetorical and we were referring to the gay community.

Are you being sarcastic? In the openeing statement:
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You ever hear a guy who sounds completely gay? Its that tone, that annunciation (sp) that just tells you that he's gay.
I was trying to present an illustrative example that I feel many people have experienced in their life. I was not generalizing that the whole gay population has this voice. I was referring to the guy in the example.

The discussion is referring to the whole gay community, however, when I say that there is a greater % of gay men with that "voice".

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I pressed the wrong button...was trying to edit a message, but instead replyed and inadvertanly pressed return before it was complete.

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DROP IT RIGHT NOW, CK!!!

You had better just back off of sicy and leave her alone! She is just trying to do her job as a mod and I think she was being very fair. You don't need to keep challenging her, you are just making yourself look bad. I used to think you were cool but not when you are treating my friend this way. You're being a punk! You're just trying to start trouble.

AND whatever sicy said to you in private should be kept private. You have no business talking about it in a public forum.


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DROP IT RIGHT NOW, CK!!!

You had better just back off of sicy and leave her alone! She is just trying to do her job as a mod and I think she was being very fair. You don't need to keep challenging her, you are just making yourself look bad. I used to think you were cool but not when you are treating my friend this way. You're being a punk! You're just trying to start trouble.

AND whatever sicy said to you in private should be kept private. You have no business talking about it in a public forum.


Well said, girl.
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It is my opinion that the lisp sounding voice that many gay men possess is due to their surroundings. However, many gay men tend to be overtly feminine. We all know that generally speaking, females have higher speaking tones compared to men. That goes for their singing ranges as well. That's a fact. Nothing wrong with it either way. I compare the gay lisp to other minorities in society and their speaking patterns. Take urban street gangs for example. Surely not all black-teenagers living in the projects speak in "ebonics", but living around people in that culture will certainly have an impact on ANYONE that faces it everyday. I think gays are the same way.
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DROP IT RIGHT NOW, CK!!!

You had better just back off of sicy and leave her alone! She is just trying to do her job as a mod and I think she was being very fair. You don't need to keep challenging her, you are just making yourself look bad. I used to think you were cool but not when you are treating my friend this way. You're being a punk! You're just trying to start trouble.

AND whatever sicy said to you in private should be kept private. You have no business talking about it in a public forum.


Not trying to start trouble

....you're right, I was wrong..private messages should remain private. I thought I could get away with it by not saying what the message was. I erred by even mentioning it. I've edited out that post. My post above was my first attempt at trying to edit it out. I pressed the wrong button.

I don't mean to challenge. Just thought that her saying I had no tact and there is no hope if I don't agree with her was a bit strong, even a challenge on her part, perhaps.

I'm not trying to start trouble....I'm all for letting this side arguement end.

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For once, I agree with TheU2. I don't quite see why it's offensive, either.
Well, for instance, I could ask why many born again Christians seem to act like they've been indoctrinated in a cult. Not all, but many.

I think it has to do with such thing as source and connotation. TheU2 doesn't exactly have the cleanest reputation on this board, so a lot of people assume he's making fun. Hence the reaction.

If I ask the question above on born-again Christians, for instance, it would be assumed that I'm speaking negatively of them, due to my past history, even though it may be a perfectly legitimate question. Hence, if a newbie wrote this thread on a "Gay Voice" or if a newbie wrote that above question on born-again Christians, it would probably be received in a different, not-so negative light.

Am I making any sense here?

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This is over. TheU2 expect an email from me sometime in the next 24hrs... until then.. lay low.

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