...blood...boiling.....angry......

melon · 10-26-2001, 02:21 PM

http://www.hellhouse.ms/tour_2000/enter_the_tour.html

...page 1 is enough to make me want to go on another papal inquisition....

...restraining....anger......

Melon

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"He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time

Miss MacPhisto · 10-26-2001, 02:28 PM

Oh My God...

I so look forward to Judgement day...

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Look...look what you've done to me...You've made me poor and infamous, and I thank you...

My name is MISS MACPHISTO...I'm tired and i want to go HOME...

"Well you tell...Bonovista,that i said hello and that my codename is Belleview" - Bono before opening night of Anaheim Elevation concert

U2Bama · 10-26-2001, 02:40 PM

Did you notic where it takes you if you click on the "Nope..." links?

Bathtime Fun Whortense · 10-26-2001, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by U2Bama:
Did you notic where it takes you if you click on the "Nope..." links?

ohhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111111111111111

thank their lucky stars i'm not God. i would not have the restraint to smote them into 900 billion trillion split quarks into the lowest canto of hell.

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~whortense wiffin
walla walla, washington

melon · 10-26-2001, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Se7en:
i also believe that tolerance is one of the main reasons our word is in the pathetic state it's in...

Actually, I believe it's intolerance that is the main reason our world is in the pathetic state it's in. But I digress...

Melon

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"He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time

Se7en · 10-26-2001, 04:03 PM

to each his own...

melon · 10-26-2001, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Se7en:
to each his own...

Agreed.

Melon

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"He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time

nintendan · 10-27-2001, 12:31 AM

I don't understand how one can be christian and say that nothing is wrong with homosexuality. Your only fooling yourselves.

U2Bama · 10-27-2001, 12:33 AM

I went through one of these "judgement house" things as a yong teen. It did not mesh with my concept of the joy of Christ.

~U2Alabama

melon · 10-27-2001, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nintendan:
I don't understand how one can be christian and say that nothing is wrong with homosexuality. Your only fooling yourselves.

Don't tempt me to bury you.

Melon

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"He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time

U2Bama · 10-27-2001, 12:42 AM

Khruschev!

Se7en · 10-27-2001, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nintendan:
I don't understand how one can be christian and say that nothing is wrong with homosexuality. Your only fooling yourselves.

There is some truth to this...

melon · 10-27-2001, 12:50 AM

Well, I don't want to get into another homosexuality debate. Doesn't the rest of the "hell house" get you angry, though?

While the first one angers me the most, the second one, suicide, angers me to a degree as well. First of all, it is completely mocking and insulting: "What's the matter boy nobody loves you? Nobody cares for you?" Now there's a "Christian response" to people in need.

And, rather than worrying about the boy depicted in this suicide, it selfishly turns back into "his parents are now faced with the consequences of his actions, life without their son." While this is true and definitely a horrific turn of events, it is completely lacking in true Christian compassion. In fact, the text used on this page is written much like a school bully, taunting his victim until he breaks.

Aside from being completely judgmental and essentialist, it offends my own faith's convictions regarding suicide and surely does nothing to comfort the fictional parents in this scenario. Regarding Catholicism, it once held a view exactly like this "Hell House" did: that everyone who committed suicide automatically went to hell, and even went as far to forbid suicide victims from Catholic cemetaries. However, with Vatican II in the early 1960s and knowledge into mental health issues, which did not exist during the Biblical era, the Catholic Church no longer passes judgment on those who do commit suicide, citing that many who do commit suicide are not mentally culpable for their actions, so they reserve judgment for God, neither supporting nor condemning the action. The suicide victim, during his/her funeral, is treated honorably like anyone who has died, and is given full rights to Catholic cemetaries. To me, this is the true Christian response, rather than this horribly judgmental response given by the sects of the "Hell House."

What do you think?

Melon

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"He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time

melon · 10-27-2001, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Se7en:
There is some truth to this...

Drop the issue. Why must every fucking religion topic end up on this issue? Have all Christians gone sick in the head or something? And they call "liberals" perverts? Geez. This is neither the point of the Bible, nor is it the worst of so-called "sins" in there. In all my Biblical and historical studies, nothing more has repulsed me than the "Christian response" to this issue, which has been completely nonsensical all along. I only wish people could see this issue from my perspective, but I want this issue dropped. If I have to, I'll get this thread closed, and I know the right people to do it too.

Melon

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"He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time

Se7en · 10-27-2001, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by melon:
Drop the issue. Why must every fucking religion topic end up on this issue? Have all Christians gone sick in the head or something? And they call "liberals" perverts? Geez. This is neither the point of the Bible, nor is it the worst of so-called "sins" in there. In all my Biblical and historical studies, nothing more has repulsed me than the "Christian response" to this issue, which has been completely nonsensical all along. I only wish people could see this issue from my perspective, but I want this issue dropped. If I have to, I'll get this thread closed, and I know the right people to do it too.

Melon

i really don't think there was any need for that....and it won't break my heart if this thread gets closed...in case you were worried.

wannabe · 10-27-2001, 12:59 AM

Hey melon, don't close this yet... I agree with your perspective. Wanted to get this out before you had it locked.

melon · 10-27-2001, 01:02 AM

I'm not requesting it closed. I'm just hoping people will move onto other topics. Plus, forum veterans will remember the last two times I fought this topic. I have a feeling they won't want it to come up again, and I find it too exhausting to do that all again. Combine that with the fact that my original debate threads have been deleted during forum cleanups, and I really don't want to get into it again.

So, Interferencers, I ask you to look at my thread regarding suicide. What do you think?

Melon

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"He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time

U2Bama · 10-27-2001, 01:05 AM

It's just that it's all been done in this forum too many times. Everyone can cite valid evidence for their point of view on the topic, but it is something that we will never settle in this forum. If you are that worried about it (whichever "side" you are on) just pray about it rather than making a thread war about it. For the LOVE of GOD!

~U2Alabama

wannabe · 10-27-2001, 01:08 AM

I wasn't going to post my thoughts cause I didn't want to fuel a flamed folder, but here goes. I don't post in this forum cause it's an arena of its own, very scathing at times.

That website is sick...pure filth(oxy). What threw me off most, and I agree melon, is the topic of suicide. I get tired of suicide always being viewed as a "selfish" act. True it is selfish to those around you, but if that's the only way out you can see, then so be it. The church didn't sound like it was going to support the suicide example anyway. "What's the matter boy nobody loves you? Nobody cares for you?" Wow, that's pretty heartless. What options is the person given then?

[This message has been edited by wannabe (edited 10-26-2001).]

speedracer · 10-27-2001, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by melon:

So, Interferencers, I ask you to look at my thread regarding suicide. What do you think?

Melon

What was the Catholic justification for saying that suicide is automatically damned? Judas? Not exactly representative of the entire population of suicidal people.

10-26-2001, 02:21 PM	#1
melon ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Ásgarðr Posts: 11,790 Local Time: 04:46 PM	...blood...boiling.....angry...... http://www.hellhouse.ms/tour_2000/enter_the_tour.html ...page 1 is enough to make me want to go on another papal inquisition.... ...restraining....anger...... Melon ------------------ "He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time __________________

10-26-2001, 02:28 PM	#2
Miss MacPhisto Banned Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Planet Pleba Posts: 1,957 Local Time: 01:46 PM	Oh My God... I so look forward to Judgement day... ------------------ Look...look what you've done to me...You've made me poor and infamous, and I thank you... My name is MISS MACPHISTO...I'm tired and i want to go HOME... "Well you tell...Bonovista,that i said hello and that my codename is Belleview" - Bono before opening night of Anaheim Elevation concert __________________

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10-26-2001, 02:40 PM	#3
U2Bama Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Gulf Coast State of Mine Posts: 3,405 Local Time: 04:46 PM	Did you notic where it takes you if you click on the "Nope..." links?

10-26-2001, 04:03 PM	#6
Se7en Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: all around in the dark - everywhere Posts: 3,531 Local Time: 04:46 PM	to each his own...

10-27-2001, 12:31 AM	#8
nintendan The Fly Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Montserrat W.I Posts: 41 Local Time: 09:46 PM	I don't understand how one can be christian and say that nothing is wrong with homosexuality. Your only fooling yourselves.

10-27-2001, 12:33 AM	#9
U2Bama Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Gulf Coast State of Mine Posts: 3,405 Local Time: 04:46 PM	I went through one of these "judgement house" things as a yong teen. It did not mesh with my concept of the joy of Christ. ~U2Alabama

10-27-2001, 12:42 AM	#11
U2Bama Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Gulf Coast State of Mine Posts: 3,405 Local Time: 04:46 PM	Khruschev!

10-27-2001, 12:50 AM	#13
melon ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Ásgarðr Posts: 11,790 Local Time: 04:46 PM	Well, I don't want to get into another homosexuality debate. Doesn't the rest of the "hell house" get you angry, though? While the first one angers me the most, the second one, suicide, angers me to a degree as well. First of all, it is completely mocking and insulting: "What's the matter boy nobody loves you? Nobody cares for you?" Now there's a "Christian response" to people in need. And, rather than worrying about the boy depicted in this suicide, it selfishly turns back into "his parents are now faced with the consequences of his actions, life without their son." While this is true and definitely a horrific turn of events, it is completely lacking in true Christian compassion. In fact, the text used on this page is written much like a school bully, taunting his victim until he breaks. Aside from being completely judgmental and essentialist, it offends my own faith's convictions regarding suicide and surely does nothing to comfort the fictional parents in this scenario. Regarding Catholicism, it once held a view exactly like this "Hell House" did: that everyone who committed suicide automatically went to hell, and even went as far to forbid suicide victims from Catholic cemetaries. However, with Vatican II in the early 1960s and knowledge into mental health issues, which did not exist during the Biblical era, the Catholic Church no longer passes judgment on those who do commit suicide, citing that many who do commit suicide are not mentally culpable for their actions, so they reserve judgment for God, neither supporting nor condemning the action. The suicide victim, during his/her funeral, is treated honorably like anyone who has died, and is given full rights to Catholic cemetaries. To me, this is the true Christian response, rather than this horribly judgmental response given by the sects of the "Hell House." What do you think? Melon ------------------ "He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time

10-27-2001, 12:59 AM	#16
wannabe War Child Join Date: May 2001 Location: Athens, Ohio Posts: 734 Local Time: 01:46 PM	Hey melon, don't close this yet... I agree with your perspective. Wanted to get this out before you had it locked.

10-27-2001, 01:02 AM	#17
melon ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Ásgarðr Posts: 11,790 Local Time: 04:46 PM	I'm not requesting it closed. I'm just hoping people will move onto other topics. Plus, forum veterans will remember the last two times I fought this topic. I have a feeling they won't want it to come up again, and I find it too exhausting to do that all again. Combine that with the fact that my original debate threads have been deleted during forum cleanups, and I really don't want to get into it again. So, Interferencers, I ask you to look at my thread regarding suicide. What do you think? Melon ------------------ "He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time

10-27-2001, 01:05 AM	#18
U2Bama Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Gulf Coast State of Mine Posts: 3,405 Local Time: 04:46 PM	It's just that it's all been done in this forum too many times. Everyone can cite valid evidence for their point of view on the topic, but it is something that we will never settle in this forum. If you are that worried about it (whichever "side" you are on) just pray about it rather than making a thread war about it. For the LOVE of GOD! ~U2Alabama

10-27-2001, 01:08 AM	#19
wannabe War Child Join Date: May 2001 Location: Athens, Ohio Posts: 734 Local Time: 01:46 PM	I wasn't going to post my thoughts cause I didn't want to fuel a flamed folder, but here goes. I don't post in this forum cause it's an arena of its own, very scathing at times. That website is sick...pure filth(oxy). What threw me off most, and I agree melon, is the topic of suicide. I get tired of suicide always being viewed as a "selfish" act. True it is selfish to those around you, but if that's the only way out you can see, then so be it. The church didn't sound like it was going to support the suicide example anyway. "What's the matter boy nobody loves you? Nobody cares for you?" Wow, that's pretty heartless. What options is the person given then? [This message has been edited by wannabe (edited 10-26-2001).]