6th Graders Had Sex During Class

[Laura M]

Because, lack of disipline from parents being shitty parents and schools being a joke, these two kids decided to bang in class. We need to be strict.

Eh, and making them do their homework and not allowing them to use a mobile will stop them having sex?

Usually being strict and banning things isn't always the answer either. The people I knew whose parents forbid them to drink for example were always the ones who went out and got absolutely trashed every Friday and Saturday night.

Absolutely not, I have no clue where he's getting that from.

I didn't think so myself.

 

[BrownEyedBoy]

The people I knew whose parents forbid them to drink for example were always the ones who went out and got absolutely trashed every Friday and Saturday night.

And the girls who weren't allowed to date were pregnant as soon as they found their first [secret] boyfriends...

 

[BVS]

Would you be against making schools Military Charter schools? It would teach disiple and teach, math, english, science,etc...

Absolutely!!! If you want your kids to go to military school, then enroll them in military school. Don't make public schools military charter that's ridiculous.

 

[Justin24]

How can we deal with this, since people here are so sue happy crazy?

 

[Vincent Vega]

Would you be against making schools Military Charter schools? It would teach disiple and teach, math, english, science,etc...

Studies, common knowledge and about everything else has shown that such a military style discipline drill isn't the answer at all. and doesn't create an environment for learning.

Socialised behaviour has to be taught at home. The school is not the place to teach children how to behave. That's the duty and the task of parents.

You can't blame the school for what the parents refuse to do.
They have to give their childrens boundaries and teach them values. The school does play a minor role, but it can't and it should not redo what parents failed to do.

All in all you can't say the parents, the media or the schools are responsible for that, but it is rather a mixture of it, and you have to look from case to case.

And children are giving each other a hard time, meaning that in order to get accepted some children do things that might be considered cool amongst others.

It's not too easy to raise your children nowadays, it never was. But to learn from the Marines surely is not the right way.

 

[BVS]

We need to be strict.

Being strict is not the answer. Education, discipline(doesn't mean strict), and respect are some of the answers...

The strict father usually ends up with a preganant daughter who hates him.

 

[nathan1977]

"Blame the media!" is a cop-out; it's a simplistic approach to a complicated problem, and ignores the fact that values are learned in the home.

"Blame the parents!" is a cop-out; it removes responsibility and refuses to acknowledge the power of the increasingly pervasive media.

"Blame the teachers!" is a cop-out; it ignores the lack of support that teachers get from the government and from their own school boards.

The reality is that all these (and other) influences work hand-in-hand -- and when they begin to contradict each other, kids start to fall through the cracks. Even the best of parents are hamstrung by the fact that if their children walk out the door, they are hit with sexualized images from magazines to billboards to radio to television to film. Even the best of teachers are hamstrung by a lack of funds and by school boards who keep more and more school funding for the various boards and administrators. Even the most positive media images and influences (PBS among them) are crowded out by louder voices.

 

[BVS]

How can we deal with this, since people here are so sue happy crazy?

What does suing have to do with the topic at hand? How did you go from blaming media to this?

Don't do this to another thread.

 

[Justin24]

hmm an experiement would be to turn the United States in to a Third World Country. But that would never work, the forces would not allow it.

 

[BVS]

 

[Justin24]

What does suing have to do with the topic at hand? How did you go from blaming media to this?

Don't do this to another thread.

I am not. Parents will sue the school for not protecting their children (hence the sex in class) the school will them blame the parents for not being good parents (hence them having sex in class) and the media will say, both of you are responsible for this mess and the other two will blame the media.

 

[Justin24]

Yes I agree with having sex ed in class. But today students even in the past think of it as a joke or it's cool. So how can we deal with this problem at hand.

 

[BVS]

"Blame the media!" is a cop-out; it's a simplistic approach to a complicated problem, and ignores the fact that values are learned in the home.

"Blame the parents!" is a cop-out; it removes responsibility and refuses to acknowledge the power of the increasingly pervasive media.

"Blame the teachers!" is a cop-out; it ignores the lack of support that teachers get from the government and from their own school boards.

The reality is that all these (and other) influences work hand-in-hand -- and when they begin to contradict each other, kids start to fall through the cracks. Even the best of parents are hamstrung by the fact that if their children walk out the door, they are hit with sexualized images from magazines to billboards to radio to television to film. Even the best of teachers are hamstrung by a lack of funds and by school boards who keep more and more school funding for the various boards and administrators. Even the most positive media images and influences (PBS among them) are crowded out by louder voices.

I agree to a certain point.

Media has always been the first to get blamed, our parents had Elvis, we had heavy metal, Prince, and 2 Live Crew.

Every generation has a media figure or media in general to blame.

And yes, the school system has let down the teachers just as much as the students.

And yes sometimes the best parents will see their child grow up in a way they don't want...

 

[BVS]

But today students even in the past think of it as a joke or it's cool.

What do you mean by this? Where did you get this from?

 

[Justin24]

come on now. When you took sex ed. your telling me students took it seriously?

 

[Liesje]

come on now. When you took sex ed. your telling me students took it seriously?

Us girls did. There's a lot of...erm..maintenance and hygiene you gotta know about and sometimes it's easier to ask a female teacher than your own parent.

Maybe if people took responsibility for their own sexual health, it wouldn't be such a big issue.

 

[Justin24]

Well us guys in the school I went to would laugh at this. How did we as a society end up, looking at sex as a joke, something, that we need to do every second of our life, to look at woman or man in lust instead of beauty?

 

[BVS]

come on now. When you took sex ed. your telling me students took it seriously?

Yes.

But it's the "it's a joke or it's cool" part that has me scratching my head.

If it's cool wouldn't you want to learn about it? And thinking something is a joke implies you already know this, and any 5th grader(that's when we had our first divide the class sex ed) is a liar and he's trying too hard if they think they know all of this already.

Yes it will be met with some akwardness, that's a given, but not a reason to ignore it.

 

[Justin24]

And it should not be ignored. But I see kids getting younger and younger acting out sexual acts. My friend who lived in Kentucky while going to school, stayed with his grandma and he said teenie boppers wanted him to have a baby with her and he would walk away, say Wow what is wrong here.

 

[Vincent Vega]

With us it was 50/50. We took it seriously, but couldn't help but laugh at times. At least most of the students.

All in all everybody enjoyed it, and learned probably the most. I don't think any of the students was that interested in the skeleton of the dog, Mendel's laws or anyone of these.

 

[BVS]

Well us guys in the school I went to would laugh at this. How did we as a society end up, looking at sex as a joke, something, that we need to do every second of our life, to look at woman or man in lust instead of beauty?

You're confusing way too many issues here.

Is it a joke, or something you want all the time?

Are lust and beauty completely inexchangable?

 

[Justin24]

Joke as in why should I watch a video on sex when I see it everyday?

How many men or woman who see an attractive person say I want him/her, what I would do to them?

We need to improve our schools and way of life for our kids sake, am I right in that?

 

[BVS]

And it should not be ignored. But I see kids getting younger and younger acting out sexual acts. My friend who lived in Kentucky while going to school, stayed with his grandma and he said teenie boppers wanted him to have a baby with her and he would walk away, say Wow what is wrong here.

Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old cousin, guess what the average marrying age was in biblical times?

I don't buy the whole younger and younger argument.

 

[Vincent Vega]

I think most laugh rather because they feel a bit strange, uneasy, or awkward, not because it's so much fun.

Laughing is a normal reaction when you feel uncomfortable, or awkward.

But in the end they were interested.

There is no easy answer to the problem that younger children start having sex. There is not one reason, and there is not one solution.

 

[Justin24]

I think most laugh rather because they feel a bit strange, uneasy, or awkward, not because it's so much fun.

Laughing is a normal reaction when you feel uncomfortable, or awkward.

But in the end they were interested.

There is no easy answer to the problem that younger children start having sex. There is not one reason, and there is not one solution.

I agree with that.

Some times the impossible does win. Because there is no simple solution to any of these problems.

 

[BVS]

Joke as in why should I watch a video on sex when I see it everyday?

Once again, any 5th grader who actually says that is a liar.

How many men or woman who see an attractive person say I want him/her, what I would do to them?

Is there something wrong with a healthy sexual appetite if you act upon it responsibly?

We need to improve our schools and way of life for our kids sake, am I right in that?

Well this can be said about everything.

 

[Liesje]

Well us guys in the school I went to would laugh at this. How did we as a society end up, looking at sex as a joke, something, that we need to do every second of our life, to look at woman or man in lust instead of beauty?

Maybe you should ask yourself, since you said it was a joke and you laughed at it. I didn't laugh at it and I don't think it's a joke. I take my health very seriously and have learned how to set boundaries for myself and stick to them.

 

[Vincent Vega]

Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old cousin, guess what the average marrying age was in biblical times?

I don't buy the whole younger and younger argument.

That's also right.
When you go back a hundred years it was absolutely normal to marry age fifteen. Only in the last hundred years that changed, and now we wonder how that could happen.

But I don't think we should welcome a situation when children or young teenagers are having sex. They are still growing, and learning.

 

[Vincent Vega]

I agree with that.

Some times the impossible does win. Because there is no simple solution to any of these problems.

We can't let have everything a go only because there is no simple solution.

It's not impossible, it's just a challenge.

 

[BVS]

But I don't think we should welcome a situation when children or young teenagers are having sex. They are still growing, and learning.

I agree and that wasn't my point, my point was when I hear people say, "well this didn't happen in my day...", I have to laugh because it just isn't true.