2016 US Presidential Election Thread IX

[Diemen]

Oregoropa, it's funny how you hand wave away the concerns of liberal posters here as "just in this forum" and refer to John Q Public as an apparently entirely conservative entity. You do realize how lazy and inaccurate that representation is, right?

Believe it or not, liberals make up more of the population than just in this forum. They're actually a part of John Q Public, too. Shocking, I know.

[Mack_Again]

oh wow you guys haven't changed.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

You didn't mention Hillary in your initial response.

I guess we have gotten accustomed to 8 years of the press fawning over Obama.

With Obama the press treated him as if he was on a hero's quest to get his magical Macguffin. Never mind asking hard investigative questions about the Ark of the Covenant (Obamacare, the Iran Deal). But will Obama get his goal, or will those Rascally Republicans get in his way?

Then we come to find in a New York Times article WH advisor Ben Rhodes brags about how he fooled everybody that they were dealing with moderates in the Iranian government.

So much for people saving 2500 dollars a year under Obamacare. Insurance rates have jumped 25-60% depending on your state. Nancy Pelosi famously said "We have to pass the bill to find out what's in it". Turns out Democrats who crafted the bill ignored virtually every actuarial principle governing rational insurance pricing.


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See? You just pulled a Sanders. You turned a discussion about a candidate's handling of free speech and the press and turned it into a platitude bitchfest of the last 8 years. Not once touching upon the subject at hand.


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[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

There is a difference between being selective of who you want at a press conference which Trump is doing and what Wilson did which was basically suspend freedom of the press and arresting journalists who didn't agree with his guidelines.

This is not the 'exact same thing' mate.

I didn't respond to Headache because it's a lazy comparison.

Trump may not want Jorge Ramos rudely disrupting a Q&A (like he did last summer) but he's not going to pass a law that would have him get arrested and imprisoned.




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How do you know he won't try to pass a law? He has no political background. All we have to go on is his current behavior and his business background. In that he is eliminating press that is negative of him, patted himself on the back during a national tragedy, issued racist statement after racist statement, he bankrupted his casinos long before the bottom fell out on AC, skipped out on paying his bills, and made arrangements that hurt everyone except for himself.

So unless this, too, is too "lazy" for you to respond to... please, share with us all how this will change once he's President. Convince me.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by Diemen

Oregoropa, it's funny how you hand wave away the concerns of liberal posters here as "just in this forum" and refer to John Q Public as an apparently entirely conservative entity. You do realize how lazy and inaccurate that representation is, right?

Believe it or not, liberals make up more of the population than just in this forum. They're actually a part of John Q Public, too. Shocking, I know.

Obama's 55% approval rating approved this post.

[BVS]

No guys, we're the ones living in a bubble.


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[Hewson]

Originally Posted by BVS

No guys, we're the ones living in a bubble.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

“Iraq, crooked as hell. How about bringing baskets of money — millions and millions of dollars — and handing it out?” Trump said. “I want to know who were the soldiers that had that job, because I think they’re living very well right now, whoever they may be.”

Nothing says "serious candidate" like a guy who not only insinuates that our sitting President is secretly an ISIS sympathizer, but who also decides to publicly insults the troops.

Really rallying that base and speaking to the "average Joe"

This is your candidate, GOP. Good job, good effort.

[IWasBored]

and goes around banishing major newspapers from being able to cover him because they might say not nice things.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Donald Trump isn’t good at this. More than a month after becoming the GOP’s presumptive nominee, the mogul’s approval numbers are in free fall. The latest Washington Post–ABC News poll finds Trump’s favorability falling 8 points to a piddling 29 percent, while the percentage of Americans holding an unfavorable view of him has increased by 10 to 70 percent.

It’s not just that Trump has alienated every single Hispanic in the United States — although he nearly has, with 89 percent of the demographic disapproving of the Republican nominee. The mogul’s negative ratings have also jumped by double digits in the last month among liberals, conservatives, Republican women, Democratic men, independents, and even non-college-educated whites.

The latter are supposed to be the core of Trump’s support. Every theory of how Trump can actually win the White House relies on him outperforming Mitt Romney with this constituency. And as of May, it was one of the few demographics to approve of the GOP standard-bearer, giving him a plus-14 net favorability rating in the Post–ABC News poll. Now that figure is minus-7.

Would appear that John Q Public thinks Trump's an asshole.

Good job, good effort.

[Moonlit_Angel]

Yeah, it'll be very interesting to see how the GOP handles Trump going forward. It's so obvious the ones who have fallen in line behind him since he won the nomination are doing so with gritted teeth, and there's also GOP members who've made it clear they DON'T want him as part of their party because they know full well how bad he makes them look.

And now this latest round of his bullshit is just compounding their problem. So just how much of a risk is the GOP willing to take with him?

[mikal]

If Donald Trump loses popularity with the uneducated white folk, he's toast.

[iron yuppie]

I don't see how it's even remotely debatable that this forum is more liberal than the general US population. For the record I think Trump has earned every last bit of the hostility directed at him here and then some, but let's not pretend the attitudes in here toward Trump are indicative of the voting population.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by iron yuppie

I don't see how it's even remotely debatable that this forum is more liberal than the general US population.

Because "we're" so far left, of the general pop is so far right?

Originally Posted by iron yuppie

but let's not pretend the attitudes in here toward Trump are indicative of the voting population.

If you consider that the republican party makes up less than half the population, but for this sake we'll argue that it's 50%, and we know that even though most will vote for him he's divided that 50% somewhat, so how is it not feasible that the attitudes in here are pretty damn close to the voting pop?

[iron yuppie]

We've got what, two Trump supporters in here? Versus everyone else who regularly posts? That ratio is maybe 2-20 or even more lopsided than that.

Ever since Trump came on the scene for this election cycle, people have been questioning out loud who would support him, where these people come from, etc. Myself included. And yet he marches on stage after after stage. Seems clear to me these Trump supporters, grudging or not, do exist in substantial numbers.

[mikal]

Originally Posted by iron yuppie

I don't see how it's even remotely debatable that this forum is more liberal than the general US population.

Yeah, this I can definitely agree with. We as a whole lean a bit more left from a numbers perspective.

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by mikal

If Donald Trump loses popularity with the uneducated white folk, he's toast.

I'll let you know if I start to find him less popular.

[mikal]

Originally Posted by Hewson

I'll let you know if I start to find him less popular.

He's still popular with Chileans!

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by mikal

He's still popular with Chileans!

He takes care of his kids!

[Oregoropa]

Originally Posted by Diemen

Oregoropa, it's funny how you hand wave away the concerns of liberal posters here as "just in this forum" and refer to John Q Public as an apparently entirely conservative entity. You do realize how lazy and inaccurate that representation is, right?

Believe it or not, liberals make up more of the population than just in this forum. They're actually a part of John Q Public, too. Shocking, I know.

Sorry I had to go to bed. Didn't have a chance to address Moonlit Angel bringing up John Q. A Rasmussen poll found only 6% of respondents found the news media to be Very Trustworthy. This was the all-time low I was referring to. According to this survey John Q Public encompasses all political ideologies. Moonlit and Diemen, to what extent to you trust the media?

Addressing other concerns. Recently Trump pulled the credentials of the Washington Post. His defense is that he gives a quote on live TV critical of The Administration, The Post turns around and misquotes him along the lines 'that Obama is in bed with ISIS'. If an acquaintance or co-worker treated you that way you would get angry and take them out of your circle of trust.


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