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Old 11-06-2015, 03:16 PM   #441
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Again, his zany comments pale in comparison to his stance on abortion which makes him unelectable. I can't believe his base has such a goldfish memory that they can't remember what went down in 2012 when a few Republican politicians said they were against all abortions, no matter the circumstances. If Carson somehow made it onto the big stage, he would be loathed by women across the country and lose even some red states.
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Again, his zany comments pale in comparison to his stance on abortion which makes him unelectable. I can't believe his base has such a goldfish memory that they can't remember what went down in 2012 when a few Republican politicians said they were against all abortions, no matter the circumstances. If Carson somehow made it onto the big stage, he would be loathed by women across the country and lose even some red states.

Why would this bother his base?


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Again, his zany comments pale in comparison to his stance on abortion which makes him unelectable. I can't believe his base has such a goldfish memory that they can't remember what went down in 2012 when a few Republican politicians said they were against all abortions, no matter the circumstances. If Carson somehow made it onto the big stage, he would be loathed by women across the country and lose even some red states.

If it costs them the election, then so be it. I'd rather have someone be honest in their views and stick with it than say anything that will get them elected. I don't even consider voting for pro-choice candidates, never have never will. Some do the opposite.


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They spelled grain wrong, it's not 'grand', bandwagon morons.


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Why would this bother his base?
It doesn't bother his base, but the fact that it makes him unelectable should. If saying that abortions shouldn't happen in case of rape can lead to someone going from an easy win in a red state to losing by an extremely wide margin, then it sure as hell will play even worse in swing states.

The second he'd have wrapped up the nomination, the DNC and Clinton campaign will start airing ads showcasing his stance on abortion. Within hours, the election will basically be over. Hell, it would be smarter to just let Carson get all the way to the convention and be crowned the nominee before airing those ads, otherwise it would give time for the RNC to scramble and pick somebody else.
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It doesn't bother his base, but the fact that it makes him unelectable should. If saying that abortions shouldn't happen in case of rape can lead to someone going from an easy win in a red state to losing by an extremely wide margin, then it sure as hell will play even worse in swing states.



The second he'd have wrapped up the nomination, the DNC and Clinton campaign will start airing ads showcasing his stance on abortion. Within hours, the election will basically be over. Hell, it would be smarter to just let Carson get all the way to the convention and be crowned the nominee before airing those ads, otherwise it would give time for the RNC to scramble and pick somebody else.

Well this is all true, but honestly they don't care. Carson is already unelectable, his base is so unbelievably detached from reality they don't care. If the above happened it would just give his base fuel to the fire, they could yell louder: "liberal media", "progressivism erodes the moral fabric", etc. They're willing to defend grain storing pyramids; reality is foreign to them.


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Oh, I'm certainly with you, his base is pretty delusional. I mean, hell, Republicans in general currently think him and Trump have the best chance at beating Clinton. It doesn't matter how many Presidential elections they lose, they'll never be able to face reality.
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Bravo, then. I'm too far away to get any real sense of how major an impact that was. It does tie in to other issues like the seemingly immovable mountain of gun control, absolutely. I predict precisely zero change on any of these matters.
It's the most important thing to me in the upcoming election, and I applaud him for getting every democratic candidate to start talking about it. From the Mayday campaign:

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On Monday, Lawrence Lessig announced that he is no longer running in the Democratic primary for President of the United States. The DNC changed the rules about who would be allowed to debate after he had met their prior criteria. As Chris Hayes said, the DNC treatment of Lessig "has been manifestly preposterous. Exactly what harm would have been done to let him debate?"


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The week he announced, Hillary Clinton adopted a comprehensive, public-financing platform for every federal office. Senator Sanders shifted from talking solely about Citizens United, and included public financing far more frequently in his platform. And national media covered Lessig's heroic race.
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I am so proud of his leadership. He is a true patriot, unwilling to pretend that democratic politics works today, but also unwilling to give up. He brings a passionate commitment to fixing the root problem in American politics.

Although Lawrence Lessig is out of the race, this fight is not over. Just last night, anti-corruption measures passed in California, Maine, Ohio, and Washington. These are HUGE victories for the movement!
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This will chip away at Carsons numbers. He's been squeaky clean with his base up to this point. But now he's lied and what's worse is he lied about military service. Veterans hold their service in high regard and will cause them to rethink their support.


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About as much as people rethought their support of Trump after he said McCain isn't a war hero?
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Well, the seven year process called Keystone has been punted to the next administration, maybe...
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My favourite part of the whole pyramid thing is that THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS FUCKING WROTE DOWN WHAT THE PYRAMIDS WERE FOR.

It's not like this is some unfathomable mystery about which people have debated.

Fuck me.

I'm also amused to read some of you here suggesting this is actually one of his less crazy claims, because among those I know here in Australia who follow US politics, this has got amazing traction as one of the most hilariously insane things an American politician has said. People can't stop sharing it on my Facebook feed and it was the punchline to almost every joke at work yesterday.
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My favourite part of the whole pyramid thing is that THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS FUCKING WROTE DOWN WHAT THE PYRAMIDS WERE FOR.
Was it in the Bible? Or a big book called "How To Operate Good on Brains"? If not, he doesn't think it counts.
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Was it in the Bible? Or a big book called "How To Operate Good on Brains"? If not, he doesn't think it counts.
It's not even like the Bible talks about the pyramids...
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I'm also amused to read some of you here suggesting this is actually one of his less crazy claims, because among those I know here in Australia who follow US politics, this has got amazing traction as one of the most hilariously insane things an American politician has said. People can't stop sharing it on my Facebook feed and it was the punchline to almost every joke at work yesterday.
I think it's probably that, while it's not really any less crazy than his other comments, it's certainly less offensive and dangerous than his other comments.

You say the pyramids are giant grain silos? I can laugh that off as inane idiocy. You say that no bullet riddled body is worse than losing gun rights? Yeah, I can't laugh that off as easily.
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I think it's probably that, while it's not really any less crazy than his other comments, it's certainly less offensive and dangerous than his other comments.

You say the pyramids are giant grain silos? I can laugh that off as inane idiocy. You say that no bullet riddled body is worse than losing gun rights? Yeah, I can't laugh that off as easily.
Looking from overseas, I think it's that the widespread resistance to gun control in the US makes remarks like that not seem too extraordinary - they fit in a pattern (a baffling pattern) of the US failing to do shit about its awful gun culture. The pyramids remark? That seems to have come out of absolutely nowhere, the sort of absurdity nobody would even think of. Plus perhaps it has something to do with us having a more secular culture, where even mainstream religious claims can be risky for politicians, so something like this would be political suicide.
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I think it also highlights the enormous and ever widening gulf between the Republican base -- maybe 20% of all voters -- and the rest of the US, let alone the rest of the developed Western world. The GOP itself is an anomaly -- no other developed nation has a mainstream party so far to the right, or, it appears, so divorced from facts.

If Ben Carson ran against Hillary, she'd probably win close to all 50 states.

Based upon the reaction to the CNBC debate, it seems the GOP isn't going to run against the Democrats, but the media. Specifically, the caricature of the media that exists in the minds of their voters.

The present crop of candidates are a result of a party that now treats politics as a reality show and a means to sell a brand, and thereby books and appearance fees.

I expect it to get more outrageous, because that's the only way to break through. Carson gained traction after his comments about a Muslim being fundamentally unqualified to be president. Fiorina gained traction only after she straight up lied about seeing a video of the imaginary fetus.

It's sad. Especially when we take recent studies that show that life expectancy for lower income whites is actually falling. There's a terrifying resemblance to early 1990s post-Soviet Russia amongst the states that have been devastated by the enormous growth in income inequality since the 1980 election. It doesn't surprise me that such candidates gain traction with desperate people looking for someone to blame. That's what the GOP offers -- blame and resentment.

In the meantime, Obamacare, for example, continues to make the ranks of the uninsured plummet. While not perfect, my hope is that the actual, imperfect solutions to problems offered by Democrats will take hold, and petty cultural resentments offered by these grifters will burn out.
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I think it also highlights the enormous and ever widening gulf between the Republican base -- maybe 20% of all voters -- and the rest of the US, let alone the rest of the developed Western world. The GOP itself is an anomaly -- no other developed nation has a mainstream party so far to the right, or, it appears, so divorced from facts.
It depends somewhat on how lenient you are with the tag 'developed' nation, but in a number of Eastern European countries this level/degree of right wing politics is 'normalised' and mainstream (I immediately thought of Poland's PiS party that had won recent parliamentary elections, and in their specific context are essentially like the GOP, that's just one example). Although in Europe, mainstream parties are not as firmly grounded in the political sphere in the sense that it's possible for a party to completely collapse and/or change name - which is something we don't see here in Australia or the US, of course.

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It's sad. Especially when we take recent studies that show that life expectancy for lower income whites is actually falling. There's a terrifying resemblance to early 1990s post-Soviet Russia amongst the states that have been devastated by the enormous growth in income inequality since the 1980 election. It doesn't surprise me that such candidates gain traction with desperate people looking for someone to blame. That's what the GOP offers -- blame and resentment.
Not quite as rapid and as immediately devastating, though, more like a consistent slow burn.
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I am scared if anyone from Republican wins, because these people would not care about academics and education and all that; as an aspiring guy who wants to stay in academia, those people who have skeptical attitude toward science is pretty pretty detrimental to me; plus, I believe that progressivism is important for this ever-changing world. We need to change in some way or another to change social structures to adjust changes so that we can share our wealth. But it's true that if I weren't this liberal, I might think Bernie is insane.
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