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wow, really? you'd allow me the privilege of putting that big, macho, marine-making cock in my mouth? i have to say, though, drinking rum and cokes is pretty faggy. big turn off. |
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Has anyone told you lately how awesome you are?
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believe me, it's not the first time i've been propositioned by a married man.
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This and everything that followed from it was seriously inappropriate.
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why the fuck is 57 votes not enough? what is the point of the filibuster?
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From the outside, it looks as if Reid made a major strategic mistake going for cloture. But maybe he knows something about Brown, Murkowski and Lugar's trustworthiness on this issue that I don't.
Now Lieberman is saying that he and Collins will introduce a free-standing DADT repeal measure, that it's not too late to get cloture for that. The clock is really running out though. (ETA -- Not sure if you're expressing bewilderment or frustration, but...the filibuster isn't DADT-specific, it's an extension of the no-on-everything-til-the-tax-cuts-clear-the-Senate thing. And 57 isn't enough because to override a filibuster, i.e. cloture, you need three-fifths, i.e. 60. Brown, Murkowski and Lugar had all publically indicated support for DADT repeal, so presumably they voted against cloture out of support for the filibuster. Collins and Reid had had a tentative agreement that debate on the defense bill including DADT might proceed anyway within certain parameters, but apparently Reid decided that wasn't going to work.) |
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Obama didn't fight for this like he could have.
The Republicans are repugnant on this issue but that is no surprise for a party who thinks that they 1950s were a utopia for everyone (and not just straight, white Christian men). John McCain is a man without principles who has much to be ashamed of. |
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I have to say, this one is baffling...
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the filibuster itself might need looking at. historically, it was used sparingly. now? i've dealt with some anger today from friends who are mostly exasperated with Obama on this, and while i agree that, in retrospect, he should have just left this to the courts and done the unusual-but-not-unprecedented of ordering the DOJ to not defend the appeal in the 9th circuit, i do appreciate the thought that giving the repeal the legitimacy of legislative appeal would have prevented DADT from being reinstated at some point in the future. it just seems to defy logic that you need to win by 20 votes to even win at all. i understand, yes, that's the rule, and needing 60 votes prevented things like, say, drilling in ANWAR. it's becoming more and more apparent to me that the courts are the only recourse gay people have. whenever people vote, we feel our minority status so acutely that it's incredibly painful. the courts decided Brown vs. BOE, activist judges and all, and i'm afraid that's the only protection that gay people have. the GOP continues to seek our destruction, and the Democrats will only do enough to distinguish themselves as slightly to the left of that in order to retain votes (and gay money). i hope that Obama will either drop the DADT appeal in the 9th circuit, or simply step in as Commander In Chief. i understand his concerns about not stepping on toes in the military, but for the love of God, this one is such a no brainer. you have overwhelming support for repeal both across the country and in the military itself. just do something that your base will love after this whole tax cut bru-ha-ha. and John McCain can go fuck himself on his moving goalposts. |
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I'm totally fine with the courts making decisions like this. But when you have situations, like the recent one here in Iowa, where voters are voting out judges for supporting things such as gay rights issues because they're "activist judges" (the horror!), that presents a problem for the courts. How would you suggest we go about getting around that problem? Quote:
About the only thing I can think of that could perhaps inspire the Democrats and Obama to move more quickly on this issue is some mass push from the public, by way of some big campaign or something. Make it as blatantly clear to them as possible that we are completely okay with this. They can repeal DADT and we'll support them 100%. Hell, if the Republicans see just how many Americans support this idea, some of them may even be inspired to support repeal. Mostly for job security and to look good, probably, sure, but the more support, the better, regardless. John McCain makes me sad. Somehow the theory of him getting senile doesn't seem like a good enough excuse for his recent behavior anymore. Now he's just coming off like a douche. Angela |
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while i can see both sides of this, to me it's one of the most undemocratic things about our "system" - that one person can stand there and cross their arms and prevent any progress being made. like i said i can see both sides where one can argue freedom of speech or what have you, but i disagree. Quote:
obama needs to grow a spine, plain and simple. he needs to start flexing his muscles and acting like a president rather than letting a very vocal minority call the shots on everything.
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Here is somebody with principles, acting in the best interest of his nation:
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Couldn't have said it better myself
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Can't wait to see how John McCain reacts.
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Susan Collins (R-ME)
Olympia Snowe (R-ME) Richard Lugar (R-IN) Judd Gregg (R-NH) Scott Brown (R-MA) George Voinovich (R-OH) Kit Bond (R-MO) Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) Mark Kirk (R-IL) Joe Manchin (D-WV) Senate switchboard # is (202) 224-3121. if you are represented by any of the above, please let them know you support the full repeal of DADT. (that is, if you do) |
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Can't contact any of those people, but I'll write the ones from my state. All of them, party lines being irrelevant. Think I'll do that right now, actually.
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