Bono On The Daily Show - 11.30.11

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Cactus Annie said:
Utoo does back surgery carry more risks than breast implants? I just had a very quick search after I read your post.

Breast enlargement: unnecessary (does that make it minor surgery) and causes a whole host of risks, including:
auto immune disease, cancer, death, silicone migration, fitted incorrectlly, re-operation, breast pain, removal, ganguine, memory & concentration problems; and this is just after a very quick scan. Yet thousands of women do it every year? Why's that?

Bono said on the daily show that his doctor said that were two risks involved with the procedure he had (lot less than breast implants). Yet he also said that he hasn't had any of these risks.
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I'm fairly certain that there were actually more risks than those two.
 
*head desk* *head desk* *head desk* *head desk*

*continues reading page 14* :D
 
Utoo said:
I actually am an MD. I'm a pediatrician, not an orthopedist, but had to study orthopedics all the same as a medical student, and deal with orthopedic issues in kids since then. I spent 7 years studying medicine between medical school and residency, and the batshit whackadoo crap in this thread is just fucking insulting. It's not a lack of knowledge, but rather plain old ignorance. It's the kind of thing where 1). a lack of knowledge is combined with 2). a lack of common sense and 3). a lack of respect for the people and topic being discussed--#3 being the most insulting--and wrapped up to fit a warped worldview consistent with schizophrenics, uneducated UFO/watertower-shooting conspiracy theorists, and people just posting to yank everyone's chain. Reading this person's posts, profile & homepage, it's honestly hard to decide which angle we're dealing with.

I'm not going to play "ask the doctor," but I'll say this.... Annie, your (main) problem is that you don't understand the purpose of back surgery or why/when it's done (see your posts #204 & 206 above as examples). Fair enough. Here's your education.

Back injuries suck. Back surgeries suck even more. Back surgery can "fix" emergencies. Back surgery almost never fixes a "bad back." Between your vertebrae (those bumpy things in your back), there are squishy things called discs. These are kind of shock absorbers that help cushion pressure as you move, among other functions. When someone, let's say Bono, injures their back & creates a chronic injury, it's very often that one of those discs has slipped from its spot. This means that the pressure between the vertebrae isn't cushioned the way it should be. This creates pain...chronic pain. Sometimes, a more severe injury happens suddenly, in which the disc slips and either the disc or the vertebra actually impinges on (pushes against) the spinal cord (that stringy thing that conveys all the nerve signals from your brain to your body & vice versa). This is a big fucking deal. If the spinal cord gets pushed too much, limbs don't move, you don't sense things, you don't control your bowels or bladder. Big, bad shit.

Here's part of what you don't seem to get: Bono injured his back a decade ago. He likely slipped a few discs, causing pain, perhaps occasionally impinging on nerves (but not permanently), affecting sensation and/or movement. What happened to Bono prior to the 2010 US leg was that he slipped or whatever in such a way that one or more discs actually impinged on the spinal cord. Like I said, that's bad fucking shit. That's an emergency. What he had before was just a "bad back."

Here's the other part you don't seem to get: When you have such an emergency, you get surgery immediately. When you simply have a "bad back," you only get surgery if you 1). you don't have insurance that will cover various therapies that can help you cope with the pain (though many insurance companies will now prefer to pay for that than surgery), or 2). you have given up on the therapies or don't want to try them because you hope that surgery will fix the problem (as many in our society look to medication and surgery to fix problems, unaware of the potential problems that may be caused). Why do you not go straight for surgery when you have a "bad back," or some minor slipped discs? First, back surgery is a big fucking deal. You're manipulating the bones & tissue that surround the fucking spinal cord. That's a big frickin' deal. Sometimes, you actually have to in through the abdomen to get to the right spot on the spine. That's a big frickin' deal, too. The second reason that you don't get back surgery unless you absolutely need it is that it doesn't freaking work. It can relieve some pain, but it's often not permanent. Because of the damage done to the structure of the bone & tissue, many people remain prone to slipping other discs. Moreover, because of the hardware that gets inserted and the fact that they often fuse vertebrae in order to support the bones & the hardware, many people continue to have decreased movement and function after the surgery.

So, to recap: Bono injured his back a long time ago, giving him a "bad back." Bono had a severe injury in 2010, further injuring his back in a severe, emergent manner. Bono got back surgery when he did because is injury was worsened in a severe way at that time. Bono did not get surgery at any point prior to the moment he did because, like any person receiving proper medical advice, he knew that the risks of surgery to fix a "bad back" that he could live with far outweighed the relatively small benefits. A "bad back," or minor slipped discs, is something people learn to live with (or bemoan forever). To borrow from the Buddhists (and Yoda!), pain is a part of life, but we create suffering. People with bad backs either 1). learn to accept and deal with the pain and develop a healthy relationship with it, 2). never accept it and live with suffering on top of the pain, or 3). never accept it, have surgery, and continue to live with both pain and suffering, albeit perhaps in a different way. Bono chose the first route---until he had an emergent injury that posed an immediate, severe risk. If he didn't have the final accident, he still wouldn't have had back surgery---and that would be the smart way to go.

Does that make sense?? I don't care about whatever the hell was said by Benji, Astro, Lassie, or any other random-ass person that I don't know jack shit about said before they got their ass banned from this place for some moronic behavior.

I know this probably won't work, but jiminy fucking cricket, I had to try. :sigh:







I like ponies.
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thank you!!!! :hug:

i like ponies too hehe!!
 
Utoo said:
Honey, when you get your wisdom teeth taken out, the consent form includes risks ranging from pain to nosebleeds to death, with a litany of things in between.
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hell, i get scared just reading the list of side effects in the package leaflets for things like aspirin and paracetamol lol!! ;)
 
First of, thank you Utoo, finally a voice of reason. Thanks for this very profound explanation :up:

Cactus Annie said:
Yes but Benji and other interference members said that towards the end of 2009, particularly during the concerts in Miami, Bono appeared stiff and clutching his hip or shoulder at various points during the concert. When U2 go back on tour after the procedure Bono gave a speech to the audience about it and said that he won't be having any trouble from his back from now on.
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Now, this is the last time I'll respond to any of your comments, but you do realise that Bono's shoulder problem is something completely different, right? It's from his stage fall in the 80s and he has been quoted saying that he still suffers from it and still has to push his shoulder back into the place the joint belongs. It's often clear that Bono is holding his arm and/or shoulder on stage, that might be a sign of pain and/or him overdoing it with his movements. This is not a back problem.

And Bono has never said on stage "hat he won't be having any trouble from his back from now on". You're imagining this. He has said that he's feeling fine and that he's overcome the injury, but I'm pretty sure Bono has enough experience and enough medical advice to know that the surgery can't fix his back forever. As Utoo said, a bad back is a bad back and I know a lot of people who are affected, none of them had surgery. Of course there will be days when it's better and days when it's worse, depending on many factors, so it's logical that Bono would seem to be physically restrained on stage sometimes or even in pain and better on other occasions.
 
This is a confirmed rumour:

Bono will be getting a spontaneous boob job in order to compete against Lady Gaga. Their next tour will be for those wives that have to wave goodbye to the soldiers.

The only other details as of right now are as follows:

There will be a lot of autotune.
Special effects involving medical procedures and psychotherapy.
Bulls blood will be provided at the concession stands.
The second act involves tea cups and anesthesia but that's all they are saying right now.
Dr. Phil will be playing from the underworld but may make an appearance on the screen every once in awhile.

And Benji will be the opening act.

Bono will be probing possibilites for opposing theories but without asking any questions.


Source: Copernicus M.D.(honarary)
 
Utoo said:
I actually am an MD. I'm a pediatrician, not an orthopedist, but had to study orthopedics all the same as a medical student, and deal with orthopedic issues in kids since then. I spent 7 years studying medicine between medical school and residency, and the batshit whackadoo crap in this thread is just fucking insulting. It's not a lack of knowledge, but rather plain old ignorance. It's the kind of thing where 1). a lack of knowledge is combined with 2). a lack of common sense and 3). a lack of respect for the people and topic being discussed--#3 being the most insulting--and wrapped up to fit a warped worldview consistent with schizophrenics, uneducated UFO/watertower-shooting conspiracy theorists, and people just posting to yank everyone's chain. Reading this person's posts, profile & homepage, it's honestly hard to decide which angle we're dealing with.

I'm not going to play "ask the doctor," but I'll say this.... Annie, your (main) problem is that you don't understand the purpose of back surgery or why/when it's done (see your posts #204 & 206 above as examples). Fair enough. Here's your education.

Back injuries suck. Back surgeries suck even more. Back surgery can "fix" emergencies. Back surgery almost never fixes a "bad back." Between your vertebrae (those bumpy things in your back), there are squishy things called discs. These are kind of shock absorbers that help cushion pressure as you move, among other functions. When someone, let's say Bono, injures their back & creates a chronic injury, it's very often that one of those discs has slipped from its spot. This means that the pressure between the vertebrae isn't cushioned the way it should be. This creates pain...chronic pain. Sometimes, a more severe injury happens suddenly, in which the disc slips and either the disc or the vertebra actually impinges on (pushes against) the spinal cord (that stringy thing that conveys all the nerve signals from your brain to your body & vice versa). This is a big fucking deal. If the spinal cord gets pushed too much, limbs don't move, you don't sense things, you don't control your bowels or bladder. Big, bad shit.

Here's part of what you don't seem to get: Bono injured his back a decade ago. He likely slipped a few discs, causing pain, perhaps occasionally impinging on nerves (but not permanently), affecting sensation and/or movement. What happened to Bono prior to the 2010 US leg was that he slipped or whatever in such a way that one or more discs actually impinged on the spinal cord. Like I said, that's bad fucking shit. That's an emergency. What he had before was just a "bad back."

Here's the other part you don't seem to get: When you have such an emergency, you get surgery immediately. When you simply have a "bad back," you only get surgery if you 1). you don't have insurance that will cover various therapies that can help you cope with the pain (though many insurance companies will now prefer to pay for that than surgery), or 2). you have given up on the therapies or don't want to try them because you hope that surgery will fix the problem (as many in our society look to medication and surgery to fix problems, unaware of the potential problems that may be caused). Why do you not go straight for surgery when you have a "bad back," or some minor slipped discs? First, back surgery is a big fucking deal. You're manipulating the bones & tissue that surround the fucking spinal cord. That's a big frickin' deal. Sometimes, you actually have to in through the abdomen to get to the right spot on the spine. That's a big frickin' deal, too. The second reason that you don't get back surgery unless you absolutely need it is that it doesn't freaking work. It can relieve some pain, but it's often not permanent. Because of the damage done to the structure of the bone & tissue, many people remain prone to slipping other discs. Moreover, because of the hardware that gets inserted and the fact that they often fuse vertebrae in order to support the bones & the hardware, many people continue to have decreased movement and function after the surgery.

So, to recap: Bono injured his back a long time ago, giving him a "bad back." Bono had a severe injury in 2010, further injuring his back in a severe, emergent manner. Bono got back surgery when he did because is injury was worsened in a severe way at that time. Bono did not get surgery at any point prior to the moment he did because, like any person receiving proper medical advice, he knew that the risks of surgery to fix a "bad back" that he could live with far outweighed the relatively small benefits. A "bad back," or minor slipped discs, is something people learn to live with (or bemoan forever). To borrow from the Buddhists (and Yoda!), pain is a part of life, but we create suffering. People with bad backs either 1). learn to accept and deal with the pain and develop a healthy relationship with it, 2). never accept it and live with suffering on top of the pain, or 3). never accept it, have surgery, and continue to live with both pain and suffering, albeit perhaps in a different way. Bono chose the first route---until he had an emergent injury that posed an immediate, severe risk. If he didn't have the final accident, he still wouldn't have had back surgery---and that would be the smart way to go.

Does that make sense?? I don't care about whatever the hell was said by Benji, Astro, Lassie, or any other random-ass person that I don't know jack shit about said before they got their ass banned from this place for some moronic behavior.

I know this probably won't work, but jiminy fucking cricket, I had to try. :sigh:







I like ponies.
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Posting because this is one of the most insightful posts in a long time. And it certainly is the best post of this thread.
 
Utoo said:
I actually am an MD. I'm a pediatrician, not an orthopedist, but had to study orthopedics all the same as a medical student, and deal with orthopedic issues in kids since then. I spent 7 years studying medicine between medical school and residency, and the batshit whackadoo crap in this thread is just fucking insulting. It's not a lack of knowledge, but rather plain old ignorance. It's the kind of thing where 1). a lack of knowledge is combined with 2). a lack of common sense and 3). a lack of respect for the people and topic being discussed--#3 being the most insulting--and wrapped up to fit a warped worldview consistent with schizophrenics, uneducated UFO/watertower-shooting conspiracy theorists, and people just posting to yank everyone's chain. Reading this person's posts, profile & homepage, it's honestly hard to decide which angle we're dealing with.

I'm not going to play "ask the doctor," but I'll say this.... Annie, your (main) problem is that you don't understand the purpose of back surgery or why/when it's done (see your posts #204 & 206 above as examples). Fair enough. Here's your education.

Back injuries suck. Back surgeries suck even more. Back surgery can "fix" emergencies. Back surgery almost never fixes a "bad back." Between your vertebrae (those bumpy things in your back), there are squishy things called discs. These are kind of shock absorbers that help cushion pressure as you move, among other functions. When someone, let's say Bono, injures their back & creates a chronic injury, it's very often that one of those discs has slipped from its spot. This means that the pressure between the vertebrae isn't cushioned the way it should be. This creates pain...chronic pain. Sometimes, a more severe injury happens suddenly, in which the disc slips and either the disc or the vertebra actually impinges on (pushes against) the spinal cord (that stringy thing that conveys all the nerve signals from your brain to your body & vice versa). This is a big fucking deal. If the spinal cord gets pushed too much, limbs don't move, you don't sense things, you don't control your bowels or bladder. Big, bad shit.

Here's part of what you don't seem to get: Bono injured his back a decade ago. He likely slipped a few discs, causing pain, perhaps occasionally impinging on nerves (but not permanently), affecting sensation and/or movement. What happened to Bono prior to the 2010 US leg was that he slipped or whatever in such a way that one or more discs actually impinged on the spinal cord. Like I said, that's bad fucking shit. That's an emergency. What he had before was just a "bad back."

Here's the other part you don't seem to get: When you have such an emergency, you get surgery immediately. When you simply have a "bad back," you only get surgery if you 1). you don't have insurance that will cover various therapies that can help you cope with the pain (though many insurance companies will now prefer to pay for that than surgery), or 2). you have given up on the therapies or don't want to try them because you hope that surgery will fix the problem (as many in our society look to medication and surgery to fix problems, unaware of the potential problems that may be caused). Why do you not go straight for surgery when you have a "bad back," or some minor slipped discs? First, back surgery is a big fucking deal. You're manipulating the bones & tissue that surround the fucking spinal cord. That's a big frickin' deal. Sometimes, you actually have to in through the abdomen to get to the right spot on the spine. That's a big frickin' deal, too. The second reason that you don't get back surgery unless you absolutely need it is that it doesn't freaking work. It can relieve some pain, but it's often not permanent. Because of the damage done to the structure of the bone & tissue, many people remain prone to slipping other discs. Moreover, because of the hardware that gets inserted and the fact that they often fuse vertebrae in order to support the bones & the hardware, many people continue to have decreased movement and function after the surgery.

So, to recap: Bono injured his back a long time ago, giving him a "bad back." Bono had a severe injury in 2010, further injuring his back in a severe, emergent manner. Bono got back surgery when he did because is injury was worsened in a severe way at that time. Bono did not get surgery at any point prior to the moment he did because, like any person receiving proper medical advice, he knew that the risks of surgery to fix a "bad back" that he could live with far outweighed the relatively small benefits. A "bad back," or minor slipped discs, is something people learn to live with (or bemoan forever). To borrow from the Buddhists (and Yoda!), pain is a part of life, but we create suffering. People with bad backs either 1). learn to accept and deal with the pain and develop a healthy relationship with it, 2). never accept it and live with suffering on top of the pain, or 3). never accept it, have surgery, and continue to live with both pain and suffering, albeit perhaps in a different way. Bono chose the first route---until he had an emergent injury that posed an immediate, severe risk. If he didn't have the final accident, he still wouldn't have had back surgery---and that would be the smart way to go.

Does that make sense?? I don't care about whatever the hell was said by Benji, Astro, Lassie, or any other random-ass person that I don't know jack shit about said before they got their ass banned from this place for some moronic behavior.

I know this probably won't work, but jiminy fucking cricket, I had to try. :sigh:

I like ponies.
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Please don't introduce common sense...and by all means, don't introduce facts, here. They are most unwelcome 'round these parts.
 
corianderstem said:
I like The Daily Show. I liked Bono on it. I watched it on November 30th, 2011.
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Bono's appearance on The Daily Show was obviously to sell copies of the AB reissue. It's obvious why U2 released Achtung Baby within a month of World AIDS day - they were thinking "geez, won't it be great that we can re-release this album twenty years from now within a month of World AIDS Day? That would provide valuable promotion." So that's what motivated Bono to start caring about AIDS - he doesn't actually care about AIDS. Actually, my un-conceived future son told me in a dream that AIDS is a really minor disease, but Bono overhyped it. And trust me, my son wouldn't lie. So Bono took this minor disease (it's rather like a cold. I mean, it doesn't even have any of its own symptoms! It's so weak that it has to piggyback symptoms off of other, greater diseases, such as colds.) and spent two decades overhyping it. Why? So that he would be invited on The Daily Show the day before World AIDS Day. Which also just so happens to be within a month of the Achtung Baby remaster! His appearance on The Daily Show was obviously just to make him look good, which in turn sold copies of the AB reissue.
 
I sure hope someone quotes that post again so I have to scroll through it to get to their one sentence reply
 
Utoo said:
I actually am an MD. I'm a pediatrician, not an orthopedist, but had to study orthopedics all the same as a medical student, and deal with orthopedic issues in kids since then. I spent 7 years studying medicine between medical school and residency, and the batshit whackadoo crap in this thread is just fucking insulting. It's not a lack of knowledge, but rather plain old ignorance. It's the kind of thing where 1). a lack of knowledge is combined with 2). a lack of common sense and 3). a lack of respect for the people and topic being discussed--#3 being the most insulting--and wrapped up to fit a warped worldview consistent with schizophrenics, uneducated UFO/watertower-shooting conspiracy theorists, and people just posting to yank everyone's chain. Reading this person's posts, profile & homepage, it's honestly hard to decide which angle we're dealing with.

I'm not going to play "ask the doctor," but I'll say this.... Annie, your (main) problem is that you don't understand the purpose of back surgery or why/when it's done (see your posts #204 & 206 above as examples). Fair enough. Here's your education.

Back injuries suck. Back surgeries suck even more. Back surgery can "fix" emergencies. Back surgery almost never fixes a "bad back." Between your vertebrae (those bumpy things in your back), there are squishy things called discs. These are kind of shock absorbers that help cushion pressure as you move, among other functions. When someone, let's say Bono, injures their back & creates a chronic injury, it's very often that one of those discs has slipped from its spot. This means that the pressure between the vertebrae isn't cushioned the way it should be. This creates pain...chronic pain. Sometimes, a more severe injury happens suddenly, in which the disc slips and either the disc or the vertebra actually impinges on (pushes against) the spinal cord (that stringy thing that conveys all the nerve signals from your brain to your body & vice versa). This is a big fucking deal. If the spinal cord gets pushed too much, limbs don't move, you don't sense things, you don't control your bowels or bladder. Big, bad shit.

Here's part of what you don't seem to get: Bono injured his back a decade ago. He likely slipped a few discs, causing pain, perhaps occasionally impinging on nerves (but not permanently), affecting sensation and/or movement. What happened to Bono prior to the 2010 US leg was that he slipped or whatever in such a way that one or more discs actually impinged on the spinal cord. Like I said, that's bad fucking shit. That's an emergency. What he had before was just a "bad back."

Here's the other part you don't seem to get: When you have such an emergency, you get surgery immediately. When you simply have a "bad back," you only get surgery if you 1). you don't have insurance that will cover various therapies that can help you cope with the pain (though many insurance companies will now prefer to pay for that than surgery), or 2). you have given up on the therapies or don't want to try them because you hope that surgery will fix the problem (as many in our society look to medication and surgery to fix problems, unaware of the potential problems that may be caused). Why do you not go straight for surgery when you have a "bad back," or some minor slipped discs? First, back surgery is a big fucking deal. You're manipulating the bones & tissue that surround the fucking spinal cord. That's a big frickin' deal. Sometimes, you actually have to in through the abdomen to get to the right spot on the spine. That's a big frickin' deal, too. The second reason that you don't get back surgery unless you absolutely need it is that it doesn't freaking work. It can relieve some pain, but it's often not permanent. Because of the damage done to the structure of the bone & tissue, many people remain prone to slipping other discs. Moreover, because of the hardware that gets inserted and the fact that they often fuse vertebrae in order to support the bones & the hardware, many people continue to have decreased movement and function after the surgery.

So, to recap: Bono injured his back a long time ago, giving him a "bad back." Bono had a severe injury in 2010, further injuring his back in a severe, emergent manner. Bono got back surgery when he did because is injury was worsened in a severe way at that time. Bono did not get surgery at any point prior to the moment he did because, like any person receiving proper medical advice, he knew that the risks of surgery to fix a "bad back" that he could live with far outweighed the relatively small benefits. A "bad back," or minor slipped discs, is something people learn to live with (or bemoan forever). To borrow from the Buddhists (and Yoda!), pain is a part of life, but we create suffering. People with bad backs either 1). learn to accept and deal with the pain and develop a healthy relationship with it, 2). never accept it and live with suffering on top of the pain, or 3). never accept it, have surgery, and continue to live with both pain and suffering, albeit perhaps in a different way. Bono chose the first route---until he had an emergent injury that posed an immediate, severe risk. If he didn't have the final accident, he still wouldn't have had back surgery---and that would be the smart way to go.

Does that make sense?? I don't care about whatever the hell was said by Benji, Astro, Lassie, or any other random-ass person that I don't know jack shit about said before they got their ass banned from this place for some moronic behavior.

I know this probably won't work, but jiminy fucking cricket, I had to try. :sigh:

I like ponies.
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What did you say JT?
 
Utoo said:
I actually am an MD. I'm a pediatrician, not an orthopedist, but had to study orthopedics all the same as a medical student, and deal with orthopedic issues in kids since then. I spent 7 years studying medicine between medical school and residency, and the batshit whackadoo crap in this thread is just fucking insulting. It's not a lack of knowledge, but rather plain old ignorance. It's the kind of thing where 1). a lack of knowledge is combined with 2). a lack of common sense and 3). a lack of respect for the people and topic being discussed--#3 being the most insulting--and wrapped up to fit a warped worldview consistent with schizophrenics, uneducated UFO/watertower-shooting conspiracy theorists, and people just posting to yank everyone's chain. Reading this person's posts, profile & homepage, it's honestly hard to decide which angle we're dealing with.

I'm not going to play "ask the doctor," but I'll say this.... Annie, your (main) problem is that you don't understand the purpose of back surgery or why/when it's done (see your posts #204 & 206 above as examples). Fair enough. Here's your education.

Back injuries suck. Back surgeries suck even more. Back surgery can "fix" emergencies. Back surgery almost never fixes a "bad back." Between your vertebrae (those bumpy things in your back), there are squishy things called discs. These are kind of shock absorbers that help cushion pressure as you move, among other functions. When someone, let's say Bono, injures their back & creates a chronic injury, it's very often that one of those discs has slipped from its spot. This means that the pressure between the vertebrae isn't cushioned the way it should be. This creates pain...chronic pain. Sometimes, a more severe injury happens suddenly, in which the disc slips and either the disc or the vertebra actually impinges on (pushes against) the spinal cord (that stringy thing that conveys all the nerve signals from your brain to your body & vice versa). This is a big fucking deal. If the spinal cord gets pushed too much, limbs don't move, you don't sense things, you don't control your bowels or bladder. Big, bad shit.

Here's part of what you don't seem to get: Bono injured his back a decade ago. He likely slipped a few discs, causing pain, perhaps occasionally impinging on nerves (but not permanently), affecting sensation and/or movement. What happened to Bono prior to the 2010 US leg was that he slipped or whatever in such a way that one or more discs actually impinged on the spinal cord. Like I said, that's bad fucking shit. That's an emergency. What he had before was just a "bad back."

Here's the other part you don't seem to get: When you have such an emergency, you get surgery immediately. When you simply have a "bad back," you only get surgery if you 1). you don't have insurance that will cover various therapies that can help you cope with the pain (though many insurance companies will now prefer to pay for that than surgery), or 2). you have given up on the therapies or don't want to try them because you hope that surgery will fix the problem (as many in our society look to medication and surgery to fix problems, unaware of the potential problems that may be caused). Why do you not go straight for surgery when you have a "bad back," or some minor slipped discs? First, back surgery is a big fucking deal. You're manipulating the bones & tissue that surround the fucking spinal cord. That's a big frickin' deal. Sometimes, you actually have to in through the abdomen to get to the right spot on the spine. That's a big frickin' deal, too. The second reason that you don't get back surgery unless you absolutely need it is that it doesn't freaking work. It can relieve some pain, but it's often not permanent. Because of the damage done to the structure of the bone & tissue, many people remain prone to slipping other discs. Moreover, because of the hardware that gets inserted and the fact that they often fuse vertebrae in order to support the bones & the hardware, many people continue to have decreased movement and function after the surgery.

So, to recap: Bono injured his back a long time ago, giving him a "bad back." Bono had a severe injury in 2010, further injuring his back in a severe, emergent manner. Bono got back surgery when he did because is injury was worsened in a severe way at that time. Bono did not get surgery at any point prior to the moment he did because, like any person receiving proper medical advice, he knew that the risks of surgery to fix a "bad back" that he could live with far outweighed the relatively small benefits. A "bad back," or minor slipped discs, is something people learn to live with (or bemoan forever). To borrow from the Buddhists (and Yoda!), pain is a part of life, but we create suffering. People with bad backs either 1). learn to accept and deal with the pain and develop a healthy relationship with it, 2). never accept it and live with suffering on top of the pain, or 3). never accept it, have surgery, and continue to live with both pain and suffering, albeit perhaps in a different way. Bono chose the first route---until he had an emergent injury that posed an immediate, severe risk. If he didn't have the final accident, he still wouldn't have had back surgery---and that would be the smart way to go.

Does that make sense?? I don't care about whatever the hell was said by Benji, Astro, Lassie, or any other random-ass person that I don't know jack shit about said before they got their ass banned from this place for some moronic behavior.

I know this probably won't work, but jiminy fucking cricket, I had to try. :sigh:







I like ponies.
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Makes sense to me.
 
Utoo said:
I actually am an MD. I'm a pediatrician, not an orthopedist, but had to study orthopedics all the same as a medical student, and deal with orthopedic issues in kids since then. I spent 7 years studying medicine between medical school and residency, and the batshit whackadoo crap in this thread is just fucking insulting. It's not a lack of knowledge, but rather plain old ignorance. It's the kind of thing where 1). a lack of knowledge is combined with 2). a lack of common sense and 3). a lack of respect for the people and topic being discussed--#3 being the most insulting--and wrapped up to fit a warped worldview consistent with schizophrenics, uneducated UFO/watertower-shooting conspiracy theorists, and people just posting to yank everyone's chain. Reading this person's posts, profile & homepage, it's honestly hard to decide which angle we're dealing with.

I'm not going to play "ask the doctor," but I'll say this.... Annie, your (main) problem is that you don't understand the purpose of back surgery or why/when it's done (see your posts #204 & 206 above as examples). Fair enough. Here's your education.

Back injuries suck. Back surgeries suck even more. Back surgery can "fix" emergencies. Back surgery almost never fixes a "bad back." Between your vertebrae (those bumpy things in your back), there are squishy things called discs. These are kind of shock absorbers that help cushion pressure as you move, among other functions. When someone, let's say Bono, injures their back & creates a chronic injury, it's very often that one of those discs has slipped from its spot. This means that the pressure between the vertebrae isn't cushioned the way it should be. This creates pain...chronic pain. Sometimes, a more severe injury happens suddenly, in which the disc slips and either the disc or the vertebra actually impinges on (pushes against) the spinal cord (that stringy thing that conveys all the nerve signals from your brain to your body & vice versa). This is a big fucking deal. If the spinal cord gets pushed too much, limbs don't move, you don't sense things, you don't control your bowels or bladder. Big, bad shit.

Here's part of what you don't seem to get: Bono injured his back a decade ago. He likely slipped a few discs, causing pain, perhaps occasionally impinging on nerves (but not permanently), affecting sensation and/or movement. What happened to Bono prior to the 2010 US leg was that he slipped or whatever in such a way that one or more discs actually impinged on the spinal cord. Like I said, that's bad fucking shit. That's an emergency. What he had before was just a "bad back."

Here's the other part you don't seem to get: When you have such an emergency, you get surgery immediately. When you simply have a "bad back," you only get surgery if you 1). you don't have insurance that will cover various therapies that can help you cope with the pain (though many insurance companies will now prefer to pay for that than surgery), or 2). you have given up on the therapies or don't want to try them because you hope that surgery will fix the problem (as many in our society look to medication and surgery to fix problems, unaware of the potential problems that may be caused). Why do you not go straight for surgery when you have a "bad back," or some minor slipped discs? First, back surgery is a big fucking deal. You're manipulating the bones & tissue that surround the fucking spinal cord. That's a big frickin' deal. Sometimes, you actually have to in through the abdomen to get to the right spot on the spine. That's a big frickin' deal, too. The second reason that you don't get back surgery unless you absolutely need it is that it doesn't freaking work. It can relieve some pain, but it's often not permanent. Because of the damage done to the structure of the bone & tissue, many people remain prone to slipping other discs. Moreover, because of the hardware that gets inserted and the fact that they often fuse vertebrae in order to support the bones & the hardware, many people continue to have decreased movement and function after the surgery.

So, to recap: Bono injured his back a long time ago, giving him a "bad back." Bono had a severe injury in 2010, further injuring his back in a severe, emergent manner. Bono got back surgery when he did because is injury was worsened in a severe way at that time. Bono did not get surgery at any point prior to the moment he did because, like any person receiving proper medical advice, he knew that the risks of surgery to fix a "bad back" that he could live with far outweighed the relatively small benefits. A "bad back," or minor slipped discs, is something people learn to live with (or bemoan forever). To borrow from the Buddhists (and Yoda!), pain is a part of life, but we create suffering. People with bad backs either 1). learn to accept and deal with the pain and develop a healthy relationship with it, 2). never accept it and live with suffering on top of the pain, or 3). never accept it, have surgery, and continue to live with both pain and suffering, albeit perhaps in a different way. Bono chose the first route---until he had an emergent injury that posed an immediate, severe risk. If he didn't have the final accident, he still wouldn't have had back surgery---and that would be the smart way to go.

Does that make sense?? I don't care about whatever the hell was said by Benji, Astro, Lassie, or any other random-ass person that I don't know jack shit about said before they got their ass banned from this place for some moronic behavior.

I know this probably won't work, but jiminy fucking cricket, I had to try. :sigh:







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