corianderstem
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On the plus side, we got to see Harvey Weinstein in handcuffs today.
I'm shocked that no one has mentioned this one yet.
And I’m just surprised Trump hasn’t automatically endorsed him yet.
BVS, are you obsessed with Trump? Not everything is about Trump.
You're proving my point by deflecting though. I know Ellison is a big fish in your beloved DNC
I'm shocked at a drive by "I'm shocked" posting by jesus freak.
Oh wait, no I'm not.
tribalism.
tribalism.
tribalism.
tribalism.
tribalism.
Asia Argento
ewwww
Someone has to counteract your snarkiness and tribalism masked as moral outrage. Sorry I don't spend my entire life tied to this forum. One of my goals in life is not 50000 posts, but it would be nice to see the handful of you that keep FYM going actually be bipartisan in your "moral outrage".
It speaks volumes as well that you rarely address the issues I bring up, but just either toss a personal insult or try to get a laugh by being a smart ass.
It doesn't necessarily discredit her.Yeah, that is really disappointing if true.
Even though it pretty much discredits her, it does not discredit the whole #MeToo movement at all. And by that, I mean, even though she has a right to call out Weinstein, it doesn't mean she's excused or exempt from any horrible behavior.
It doesn't necessarily discredit her.
There's a thing called bully-victims; people who are victims themselves who then go out and do the same to others. It's a psychological defense mechanism.
It doesn't excuse her behavior by any stretch - but it is a real thing and is more common than you think. It's another reason why victims of any sort of harassment need to get the help they need and get it very early on.
Not at all saying what she did is on the same line as Weinstein... only that it's not uncommon for victims of abuse to end up abusing themselves. It's definitely more common in males who have been abused than in females... alas.I see the relationship but I don’t think that rapey Weinstein and her actions are the same thing.
First of all, statutory rape and age of consent laws are dumb laws. They make sense in that they protect minors, but it’s difficult to define where the boundaries lay. There are efforts to bandaid their shortcomings (so called “Romeo and Juliet” laws) that protect people of close age. I’d argue that 20 years isn’t very close in age... so her actions are super weird and creepy, but not child rapey creepy. Anyways, there are mental aspects of it that are why the line gets drawn, but I suppose my point is that I never want to step on toes over two consenting adults - but a 17 year old is truly a case by case basis if they qualify as an “adult.” So from that angle, I have no desire to criticize her behavior, even if it’s a strange age difference.
And I do intend to separate her as not being a victim who has become a perp in the sense that Harvey, the original perp, raped her and others. What she’s done, in my eyes, is more off the scummy note of a Louis C K. And for the record, it took open air discussion on here for me to really be harsher on him. But what she’s done is what he did - abusing power as a senior member of their field, effectively, to get what she wants.
Harvey forcefully raped people and abused his power to cover up immoral acts. She abused her power not likely understanding that she’d done so, but more out of pure lust and desire.
It’s not forgivable, but it is different. We should treat it differently, and before ousting someone like this, offer them a path to repair. She’s done awful things, but she is not an awful person.
I see the relationship but I don’t think that rapey Weinstein and her actions are the same thing.
First of all, statutory rape and age of consent laws are dumb laws. They make sense in that they protect minors, but it’s difficult to define where the boundaries lay. There are efforts to bandaid their shortcomings (so called “Romeo and Juliet” laws) that protect people of close age. I’d argue that 20 years isn’t very close in age... so her actions are super weird and creepy, but not child rapey creepy. Anyways, there are mental aspects of it that are why the line gets drawn, but I suppose my point is that I never want to step on toes over two consenting adults - but a 17 year old is truly a case by case basis if they qualify as an “adult.” So from that angle, I have no desire to criticize her behavior, even if it’s a strange age difference.
And I do intend to separate her as not being a victim who has become a perp in the sense that Harvey, the original perp, raped her and others. What she’s done, in my eyes, is more off the scummy note of a Louis C K. And for the record, it took open air discussion on here for me to really be harsher on him. But what she’s done is what he did - abusing power as a senior member of their field, effectively, to get what she wants.
Harvey forcefully raped people and abused his power to cover up immoral acts. She abused her power not likely understanding that she’d done so, but more out of pure lust and desire.
It’s not forgivable, but it is different. We should treat it differently, and before ousting someone like this, offer them a path to repair. She’s done awful things, but she is not an awful person.
wow, this is the most ridiculous excuse for a defense I have read on this subject.
oh sorry, correction: it's the only defense I have read on this subject (Asia specifically).
just can't make this stuff up. amazing the double standards at play here. Good job Lucky #7, good job.
and a shout out to Headache for stepping in and reaffirming this hypocritcal bullshit. you guys rock.
wow, this is the most ridiculous excuse for a defense I have read on this subject.
oh sorry, correction: it's the only defense I have read on this subject (Asia specifically).
just can't make this stuff up. amazing the double standards at play here. Good job Lucky #7, good job.
and a shout out to Headache for stepping in and reaffirming this hypocritcal bullshit. you guys rock.
Not at all saying what she did is on the same line as Weinstein... only that it's not uncommon for victims of abuse to end up abusing themselves. It's definitely more common in males who have been abused than in females... alas.
There's also a bit more than just an age of consent thing going on here.
Meh, while it's certainly not to the level of a serial abuser like Weinstein, I'd put it above that of Louis C.K.To your last point, it is more of an age of consent thing going on here. I agree. Thats why I related it back to Louis C K. I was attempting to refine exactly what she’s done wrong here - she isn’t a rapist, but she grossly abused her position of power.
Dude (or dudette), I have literally no opinion of you and if I’ve ever interacted with you negatively, I certainly didn’t keep a tab. But, you know, read the way you unnecessarily just responded to me like a dick. You deserve people keeping tabs on you when you respond so pompously. Just can’t make this stuff up!
It wasn’t a defense. I’d explain why it wasn’t a defense, but most of that would just be copying and pasting the post you quoted. So, that’s not helping anyone.
As for “double standards,” fuck off. By all means, go several pages back. I referenced it in the post you quoted. I made this same argument for Louis C K where I did not believe it was fair to lump him into Weinstein territory. Those are MY views, asshole. So think twice before going and collecting someone else’s views and pasting them on to me.
Well, my bottom line was just that people like her have committed acts that we need to learn how to properly approach, punish, and rehabilitate. And I do not buy the “abused became the abuser” in this case. The reason why I distinguish a Harvey Weinstein (or a Mario Batali or whoever) is because they’ve committed acts where they sexually assaulted people with their powers. Anyone could figure that’s morally reprehensible.
I equate these pettier but still reprehensible actions to otherwise good people akin to falling into addiction of their own sexual ego. It’s entirely possible that during the time they never questioned their behavior. It’s the kind of stuff that should invalidate you from ever running for office, you know, and perhaps it should end your time in fame, but it shouldn’t force society to reject you.
People make mistakes. Yes, these people don’t deserve their fame and should have it stripped away. Or perhaps they should be forced into a life of labor for the cause. Think, for example, Tim Hardaway. Fringe HOF candidate owes the rest of his life in repentance for who he was. He’s nobody now. But who he’s chosen to become since then has made his life worthwhile.
I’m one for never forgetting. The bad and the good.
In the documents, Bennett sought to sue Argento for an alleged May 9, 2013 encounter at the Ritz-Carlton hotel in Marina del Rey, Calif. Bennett arrived with a family member but Argento reportedly sent them away so she could be alone with him. At that time, Bennett alleges that she showed him notes she had previously written to him and gave him alcohol. She then reportedly kissed him, pushed him back on the bed, performed oral sex on him and then the two had intercourse.
I think you're seriously playing down what is alleged to have occurred.
This is more than an abuse of a power. She plied him with alcohol before having sex with him.