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A_Wanderer said:I got the mitachlorians, but to be a keeper of the peace or a sith lord
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A_Wanderer said:I got the mitachlorians, but to be a keeper of the peace or a sith lord
Angela Harlem said:Is there something shorter we can call you? Your username is too long lol. NAET will have to do though if you dont want to give us your real name hehe.
I cant blame for you for the actions of others though, nor lump you with them. Sorry if it sounded like I was.
Mmm chips on the beach..where's beli? or will she have replied already by the time i've written this? lol
BelisSecretID said:belis pissed off!!!1111!!!! and is refraining from posting.
Actually intedomine what I said was that I appreciate that there is definately a path of intellectual searching for atheists, but that many of those I have come across tend to indicate the way that they have been pissed off by christians and how that has also had an impact on their position. I wasn't even specifically refering to people on this thread. Although since I first posted that comment there have been a couple of comments along these lines from atheists.intedomine said:A lot happens here in 2 days I tell ya. 5 long pages of discussion!
I thought it was simplistic of NotAnEasyThing to come out and say some of the Athiests on here only follow athiesm as a result of irritation with chrsitianity so as a result of our anti christian stance being so strong, we dont even like to consider the fact that there may be a God.
Mate, we wouldnt be posting here if that was the case.
Hi anna, pleased to meet you.Angela Harlem said:ps my name is really anna.
beli said:NotAnEasyThing
Also, I never said all Christians annoy me. You said that. I said some of the fundamentalist ones on this website annoy me. You also said that I was "browned off" about Christianity because I attended an Anglican school. Again, I did not say that. You said that. etc. Please refrain.
beli said:
Please refrain from "I know and have known several atheist or people claiming to be atheist, more often than not after we've talked about these issues in greater depth they would probably better decribed as agnostic'.
I think this is the main point of contention Beli. I respectfully disagree with you on the assertion that the bible is not evidence. Archeological and geological evidence is not our only source of knowledge about history. If you say that, you need to rip out most of the pages of our collective history. Importantly there is loads of archeological evidence to support the history found in the bible. When it comes to the bible I think sometimes without actually looking at it too carefully it's easy to assume it is just subjective truth. But what I have been trying to show is there is some tangible ways of testing the more contentious claims it makes- in particular, about Jesus.beli said:
Please explain how you can believe in one god and dismiss the rest? Please do not use the bible as a reference point. I am not talking about religion, Im talking about Theism. The bible is not evidence any more than the Iliad is evidence of Troy. Heinrich Schliemann, an idol of mine, discovered the remains of Troy - the walls, the jewelery, etc. This is evidence. The Iliad is not. There is geological evidence of a "great flood" of sorts. This is evidence. The bible story of Noah is not.
As I have stated, I am not trying to act surperior. But the fact that I feel content with the conclusions I've come to is ok isn't it. I certainly think you have the right to feel that way too. I was only suggesting that maybe you may have missed some important information along the way. If you think I am missing something I would be grateful if you would point it out too. But if you are not interested in the bible- that's fine. It's not my only source for information about the world.beli said:
I was not particularly interested in the bible. Thats my call. That does not make your views any more valid than mine nor anyone elses in this thread.
beli said:
As for the theism issue -. Atheists deny the existence of all gods. Some Christians deny the existence of all gods, except for one. How does that work? How can a person believe that all gods dont exist except for their own?
NotAnEasyThing said:
I didn't say "ALL" christians either- just that there are those that do- you said especially on this website.
The Christians on this web site annoy me. Especially the fundamentalist USA ones.
NotAnEasyThing said:
Also I didn't say you were browned off about Christianity because you attended an Anglican school. I said it "SEEMED by your description of the anglican school experience to be browned off".
As for reading it. I attended an Anglican school for three years - 3 years of divinity, chapel, etc. Havent read much since. I also havent read Anna Karenina. Cant get into either of them.
NotAnEasyThing said:
Do you mean I can't describe my experiences?
NotAnEasyThing said:
But the fact that I feel content with the conclusions I've come to is ok isn't it.
Angela Harlem said:You dont believe the bible has ever been purposefully editted or rewritten?
beli said:
I didnt say "especially on this website"
I said:
ie those are the only ones (bar my mother in law) who annoy me.
I'm sorry if I misconstrued what you were saying. But to me the tone on how you have written implies a certain degree of disdain for Christians. If this is not the case then I apologise if I've misunderstood. By the way I'm fine with it if you don't like christians- some are pretty hard to like.beli said:
How? This is what I said. How does it seem I was browned off?
No actually what I mean't was that what they called atheism often turned out to be more of an agnostic view.beli said:
You can describe your experiences but it reads like pseudo proletyzing(not really the right word), as in - once you spoke to them they decided they were agnostics.
Well it matters to me how you feel about your conclusions on this topic. Isn't that the whole point of a discussion (or this thread for that matter). If it's just our own business what we believe then, why bother discussing anything at all?beli said:
I never said that. I dont care if you are content with your own conclusions. Thats your business, not mine.
Angela Harlem said:Sorry I missed the other replies. Were your replies on the question of it ever being purposefully changed so it's direction was somewhat diffterent?
NotAnEasyThing said:
"The Christians on this web site annoy me" -doesn't that mean especially on this website are christians who annoy you?
NotAnEasyThing said:
Well it matters to me how you feel about your conclusions on this topic. Isn't that the whole point of a discussion (or this thread for that matter). If it's just our own business what we believe then, why bother discussing anything at all?
Angela Harlem said:I'm thick, really thick. Can I just clarify, you think it's ironic to like a band who's music has it's share of Christian influence when one claims to be athiest themselves?
My grandmother is a devout Catholic. Not hardcore in that she talks about it, shes just very dedicated to her faith. She attends and lives an admirable life. I love her very much and am very close to her and am aware very much of how she is. It's not ironic though.
Some of my favourite books have been influenced heavily by religion and faith. That's not ironic. There's other people's faith and beliefs everywhere around us. Doesn't mean we can't be honest with our own views. Doesn't make it ironic.
beli said:What, The Church has toke fans?
I think this is just semantics now. By especially I was meaning "particularly", as in the christians on this website and not christians elsewhere. But bugger that, it's not even really important.beli said:
No, it means some of the Christians on this website annoy me. Theres nothing "especially" about it. The Christians I know in real life, and on other websites, dont annoy me.
Exchange information and not respect or value the other person's motivation/perspective/journey? Seems very clinical to me.beli said:
The point of a discussion is to determine how others feel about their conclusions? No. Point is to exchange information.
I doesnt matter to me about anybodys conclusions on religion, which this thread has turned into a discussion about. I really dont care what people do inside their own home/head. Live and Let Live.
As for this thread. Initially this thread was started by me being annoyed by various Christians on this website turning most threads in fym into a discussion on Christianity.
I have continued on as I was enjoying A Wanderers posts. I am no longer up to speed on those issues so I was enjoying listening.
I also asked you a couple of questions as it was opportune.
Im also enjoying the people talking about song lyrics, too.