nbcrusader
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Most bodies of government open with an invocation - and have been doing it for years and years and years.
nbcrusader said:Most bodies of government open with an invocation - and have been doing it for years and years and years.
Dreadsox said:George Washington: ?It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.?
Thomas Jefferson: ?The Bible is the cornerstone of liberty. . . . Students? perusal of the sacred volume will make us better citizens, better fathers, and better husbands.?
Andrew Jackson: ?That Book [the Bible] is the rock on which our Republic rests.?
Dreadsox said:
That does not change that "separation of church and state" meant something different for 150 years.
The wall of separation was meant to keep governement out of religion and people's lives......not the other way around.
nbcrusader said:
And yes, many government bodies take a pluralistic approach, inviting people of different faiths and beliefs.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Dread let me ask you, how many different religions do you think were seriously being practiced in the US at the time these men spoke?
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Isn't that the beauty of the Constitution though? It was designed to change and evolve. The drafters of this document knew they weren't perfect.
Dreadsox said:
It was not designed to have courts throw out 150 years of judicial rulings....consistent judicial rulings. The Court, based on what I know, is supposed to be ruling based on past rulings and decisions. I am not a lawyer....NB?
martha said:
Didn't Brown vs The Board throw out Dred Scott? Weren't the rulings determining black Americans to be fractions of people consistent?
meegannie said:Dred Scott was thrown out by the Thirteenth and Fourteen Ammendments, long before Brown v. Board of Education. However, in 1883, the Supreme Court ruled the Civil Rights Act of 1875 (which guaranteed equal treatment of blacks in public places and on public transportation) unconstitutional, stating that the Fourteenth Amendment only applied to state governments and political freedoms for blacks, and was inapplicable to social freedoms and discrimination by businesses and individuals. In 1896, in Plessy v. Ferguson, the Supreme Court ruled that segregation was not unconstitutional as long as facilities for blacks and whites were equal ('seperate but equal'). So it seems those Supreme Court decisions were all pretty consistent....
Dreadsox said:
That argument is moot. The wall of separation is supposed to keep Government out of religion. Not the other way around. People practicing their religion have every right to try and make laws, or amendments to the constitution. Nowhere does it say that they cannot. If the voters are against it....then let the voters decide. Unfortunately the people do not get to decide.
Dreadsox said:
You are quick girl!!!!
Dreadsox said:It was not designed to have courts throw out 150 years of judicial rulings....consistent judicial rulings. The Court, based on what I know, is supposed to be ruling based on past rulings and decisions. I am not a lawyer....NB?
Dreadsox said:Point blank...my point is this......Religion was never meant to be kept out of governement. Governement was meant to be kept out of religion.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
So if religion was never meant to be kept out of government, which religion? All the quotes you showed mentioned the Bible which is specific to a religion. So once again it's OK if it's your religion, but what about everyone else?
Dreadsox said:
The Bible is not specific to ONE religion.
Dreadsox said:And no one is forcing it on you. There is NO national Denomination.