Green Agenda. we agreed to our agreement. I stand by mine, and they by theres. Keeping my word ( which means not lying ) is what I do. You know nothing about my ingregrity. Far from it, but I hold an honor and agreement above all else. So No, I won't name them.There is a very good reason to not identify them. There is a reason there is no addition to the site in a long while. None of it is beyond reason.
I was Introduced to them over 2 years ago. I am free to use that site, I have never claimed it as my own ( why would I ) and it is by far some of the best research you will find on the Whole Global warming story, and the political parts that go with it. Bar none.
What exactly is this?
Has nothing to do with what I said.
You don't have to lecture me about Jim Demint. I didn't say I liked him, Beck did.
Yes, but you have legitimized and legitimized and defended Beck for 3 pages now. So you made him your co pilot here in this thread, then you said "he hates all those dishonest pols" with the exception of DeMint and Christie.
You didn't have to bring DeMint up, but you did, so I simply showed you a sampling of the many instances where he has been caught red handed.
Becks alleged lies are mine? Wow, I didn't realize I am that powerfull. I control the thoughts of Glenn Beck?
No. Read your post again. You decided to defend Beck and his choice of political friends, like DeMint. So I made note of that.
Where did I ever hold you responsible for everything Glenn Beck has ever said?
Never seen Glenn beck foam at the mouth. can you show me that. Google is fine as it is a great place to provide lnks. You just did.
Its an expression for batshit crazy screaming angry, you know that.
Sure. This is nothing out of the ordinary for Mr. Beck:
YouTube - Glenn Beck Barks Like A Dog On TV
Please show me a photo or film would be better of Glenn Beck Foaming at the mouth .
Right above.
Watched Hannity one time. I don't care for him , so I am in collusion with him too? that is a strectch .
You are showing the same kind of "I'm shocked, what me?" mentality when called out on lies that you post.
Obamas book has been debunked? By who ? I have read it to, and everything that I posted is in there.
So you read absolutely none of the links to Snopes or none of my post explaining the White phantoms?
Everything, literally everything that is on the right wing smear list against Obama, titled "Obama in his own words" has been debunked.
And debunked in 1 of 2 ways.
1.)It was completely and entirely out of context. Any reading of the alleged offending passages becomes completely benign and innocent and devoid of judgement about whites, America, whatever when placed in its proper context as written.
2.)It was flat out made up.
Again, did you not read what I underlined in bold regarding the "white phantom" comment being Obama's critique of the black nationalist philosophy?
Just stop it.
I am sure you are much smarter than this. You know damn well if you read the book or even the link I had to "Dreams....." that all this breaks down when put in context.
You are either lying again or ignorant.
It has been common knowledge to anyone following the news for over 2 years now that all of this is nothing but creative, out of context propaganda and flat out lying.
Anyone who wants to say Obama hates whites or actually espoused those views in his book is a flat out idiot.
I am a conservative? How do you know? Have you ever asked me?
Pretty good educated guess from your posts.
Its just fine, nothing wrong with that. I pointed out in my post that many conservatives would find Beck,Hannity, etc to be counterproductive windbags.
What I said, again, if you read my post, was that your way of arguing and then getting all huffy when a b.s. lie is called by its true name is right out of the playbook that Hannity, Rush and Beck have created. These people live their own reality and do not expect to have to answer for anything.
That would be an Untruth , by a long shot. If you mean fiscally conservative, that would be much closer. There are fiscally conservative democrats. They call them Blue Dogs , but you know that. You are using either a selective memory, or selective assumptions. Which makes you statement an untruth .
Ok, fine, so all of your defenses of the Republican Party and Glenn Beck make you a liberal or a moderate? That is not selective memory or selective assumptions, it is again, going on the side you have taken in your posts. Nothing wrong with any political views you want to have, liberal, conservative, moderate, radical, Democrat, Republican, just don't lie and bring up Glenn Beck as anyone who is worth listening to.
That is why this "you are a conservative" "no I'm not" discussion is pointless. All I ever said was your debating style curiously resembles the new right spinsters' debating style.
Draw whatever conclusions you want from that.
I am well aware of the Blue Dogs, and I am fiscally conservative myself.
Mark Warner is pretty close to my views to give you an idea.
Democrats don't do back room deals? Are you serious or naive ? The hell they don't. Both sides do. Bills are written by staffers not the Congressman . Often Lobbyist are in the room. Always close by .
I am serious, and not naive despite my age.
You really don't have the slightest clue what you are doing, do you? A favor to ask you: if you are going to quote my posts and respond to them, READ THEM. Because it is clear you are not reading them!
Once again, did you miss this?
Of course, not all of it was(on C-SPAN) but no Congress is 100% open
Look at my posts on the health care debate, which were before you decided to show up here. I criticized the corn husker kickback and the Louisiana Purchase quite heavily. I said it was time for Harry Reid to go to Ben Nelson, like LBJ did, and twist his arm off and tell him "listen, you vote for this, or you are dead to this caucus and dead to this Congress, and so is your state." Better than spending public money to bribe people. Both provisions were removed in reconciliation, and rightfully so.
So clearly, I acknowledged in the post you accused me of being naive in, as well as in the past, that Democrats do backroom deals.
You would be the one who is naive if you think that what happened with this legislation, even though far from desirable, was anything out of the ordinary for Congress.
Plus, I am waiting for you to call out the much much more secretive and back room dealing Republican Congress.
I am well aware of the lobbyist influence in government. They were right at the table for the health care debate, but the difference is in the GOP congress, they RAN the table and real reform never even came up. Here, they got a lot of what they wanted, but also a lot of what they did not want.
Surely, you have heard of the K Street Project, which made Republican loyalty a kind of test for many lobbyists? What about Jack Abramoff or Bob Ney or Duke Cunningham?
Surely you have heard of Tom Daschle and John Dingell's wife?
I say get lobbying the hell out and let the public and individual contributions fund the election process.
Ultimately, I suffer no illusions, and neither do you I can see, that 99.99999999% of politicians are out to help me, you or anyone on this board.
They are looking to the next election, and they will answer BP's calls personally and an aide will never even return yours.
I was in Washington the day before and the day of the vote. hey were in back rooms. where you there by any chance? BOTH parties were behind closed doors. It happens all the time.
No, I wasn't there, glad you were.
I heard it was a big fuc** deal
I am well aware it happens all the time.
Try and get yourself into some Congressional meeting, you'll get faceplanted by a couple of Capital Police.
I don't particularly care that you were in DC for the vote, I do care to hear you try and tell me that the Obama/Reid/Pelosi updates did not exist, that the ideas were not widely known and debated and that the legislation, every little arcane detail of it, was not up online for nearly 2 years.
I forgot, that is impossible, you can't do that.
never had a sour grape in my life. Can you tell me what it taste like? I don't live in anger . It is bad for your health , but the more I see the more I can see this all falling apart.
Its an expression, don't take it so literally.
I'll rephrase: You were somehow in shock and had to lash out at BVS and tell him to get out his basement and get help because you were caught in a plagiarized lie. That indicates a bit more anger than you are letting on to having.
Porgressive, is an easier sell than socialist, and even more so than Marxist. The kid grew up being exposed to this all his life. he surrounds people who are openly marxist. Many of those around him now. Why would he surround himself with these people if he wasn't.? be like me hanging arond the crips or bloods. Not my type, so why would they work for me? I would hire people completely diffeent than me? that is a bizzare statement.
This is complete bullshit.
You don't know what your talking about.
Obama did not seek the Presidency on false pretenses to build a socialist nation. He has always been a pragmatist.
Progressive, or liberal or whatever name you want to give to mainstream Democratic politicians in America in no way resembles the socialist or communist structures of other countries.
He comes nowhere near advocating what Richard Nixon did in terms of health care policy, welfare policy, drug policy and regulatory policy.
Obama is in no way a socialist or a marxist. How irrational are you?
He has made very clear that he believes in free enterprise numerous times and has no designs on getting rid of the profit motive or anything even close.
Many of those around him now?
Lets run down the list, Benji:
Larry Summers?
Tim Geithner?
Austan Goolsbee?
Paul Volcker?
Peter Orszag?
Valerie Jarrett?
Ray LaHood?
Jim Jones?
Robert Gates?
How about the past?
Kansas?
Hawaii?
Indonesia?
Neither one of his parents were Marxists as you falsely claimed.
Harvard Law review, where he was well respected by the conservative students?
The Illinois Senate where he was considered a consensus builder?
The US Senate where he focused on loose nukes, accountability in government and wasteful spending?
Who are the Marxists? You couldn't be serious.
This is typical desperation. The anger is what gives those like you away. Your entitled to your political beliefs, thanks to the old document. Without it...... So be thankfull for people who believe in it.
What are you trying to say, I don't believe in the old document?
I am not angry at all.
You are changing the subject from being caught in a lie to me supposedly being angry.
We are all entitled to our political beliefs.
The reason I addressed your posts is because you posted some lies in them. I don't care what your opinion is, but don't play loose with the facts.
The game is up. Even the most ardent supporters are not happy
No one could be happy with the way the country is now.
But I have yet to hear anyone make a good, reasonable and intelligent case for why Obama should be held responsible for it.
Examples:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/17/business/economy/17leonhardt.html
AEI Says Stimulus Boosted Economy By 4% | The New Republic
The ardent supporters are not happy Obama has been stymied by the climate he is in, and some on the liberal idealist side that loved him harbored false illusions that he would somehow make it great over night.
Their fault not Obama's, Obama never said he would be able to promise us an easy road or that he would fix everything.
so keep it up. It will make things easier . Those of us who believe in how we got here in the first place , will prevail, thus preserving your rights to spew the hate and anger that is right out of the play book .
Your personal assination on me, Beck, Tea party ( not a member btw, but they are nice people) and anyone else in line with the anger and hate means nothing. it only hurts you.
Your links are from google by the way. ever hear the term Practice what you Preach?
You lost this round. november is going to be a total rejection by Independants that got you here in the first place. Not alot of time to get there.
So I don't believe in how we got here? What does that mean?
I don't believe in the Constitution? America?
If you want to say that GO FUCK YOURSELF AND I MEAN THAT.
My Grandfathers on both sides served in WWII, as did an Uncle on Iwo Jima, my Dad was in Vietnam front lines 1969 and 1970, my brother is currently in the air force and I am an active POW/MIA volunteer. Where the fuck where you and more importantly, who the fuck are you?
What I posted before was not a personal assassination, it was calling you out on a lie. What I posted above wasn't either, it was putting you in your place for saying I don't believe in what got us here.
The Tea Party are real nice people- kill Obama, racist chants at John Lewis, throwing things, misspelled Nazi signs, they're losers like you are. Some of them are nice, but then again, there is good and bad everywhere.
My links are from google and they go to unbiased and objective factual sources that merely summarize and repeat points that you can find in economic journals, political journals, etc.
You didn't factually rebut one of the links I posted because you cant.
I didn't lose this round, you did.
The incumbent party always loses seats, the Democrats will be no different in November.
It wont be enough to give your morons control of either chamber, though, you fucked up too bad and lost big in 06 and 08 for that to happen.
3 more things .
Only thing I will ever lie about is if I or the staff watching this today are asked if a procedure will hurt, They will say no. that will be a lie.
Staff watch you post on interference, ok, DOC.
Stick one of those needles as far up your ass as it will go and leave it there.
I will school you on healthcare , as would everyone here . We know how it will affect us . Everyone on every floor knows. It's our lives.
This need to attack me comes from some kind of insecurity you have.
You wont school me on anything, rest assured of that.
You cant even spell. And your posts make no sense. What are you going to school me on?
Dial up any of my Professors or the Doctor I worked for for 3 years and they'll tell you I am one of the smartest people they have ever met, wise well beyond my years.
I may be young, but I am as well read as anyone on these issues.
Do not condescend to me.
Just who the fuck are you? You just joined here and you think you own the place, and on top of that, you come in and belittle other members when they call you out on a lie.
Your are not a doctor, you are a child. I feel sorry for your "patients." If you are a real doctor, stop projecting your personal political views onto the medical community as a whole.
I haven't seen too many doctors who have pegged this health care bill as the end of the world, far from it, most feel it is positive and are glad insurance companies are now subject to some common sense regulation.
I don't know any doctors personally who are against this legislation, I know many who are for it, many nurses, my aunt is a physical therapist who owns a company, she is for it, etc.
This was not written up with no advice from anyone, far from it.
It incorporated many mainstream Republican and Democratic ideas and the medical community was involved all along.
You must be that doctor that posted the sign saying "no Obama voters" who was embarrassed into admitting he hadn't read the bill.
You tell us how this will stop you from saving lives, Doc!
How will this make your life harder?
Don't ASSume . You will be wrong 99.999 % of the time.
Oh typing. I am in a dark room and if you can make the cursor on this site stop bouncing all over the place.. that would be great
Turn on the lights, Doc.
Can you find the light switch?
Lay off the drugs, the cursor will stop bouncing.
Anger management ... you'll live longer if you take it.
Not taking your internet diagnosis seriously.
When I finish this in a few minutes, I will get a glass of Coke, sit down, relax, listen to some U2, go to sleep, get up in the morning and enjoy the rest of my week off. Maybe I'll go to the beach, maybe I'll wash my car or mow my lawn, who knows?
Whatever I do, my blood pressure will not be higher because of you, rest assured.
I am not angry at all, but now, I am in your face because you really hit a nerve with me saying I don't believe in the Constitution or what got us here. So you are getting a piece of my mind.
Question from someone here. Is this anger and method something that U2 promotes? Associates themselves with ? We don't think so. Not even close
U2 would really approve of this:
http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/files/2009/09/racist_tea_party.jpg
http://zoecarnate.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/racist-obama-sign-2.jpg
The same U2 that wrote "In God's Country" and the nuanced vision of the American Dream expressed on the Joshua Tree would never, ever buy the notion that one political persuasion excludes one from recognizing how we got here or believing in the document.
However, U2 does condone putting stupid people like you in their place:
YouTube - Sunday Bloody Sunday
YouTube - U2 - Sunday Bloody Sunday (Save The Yuppies Free Concert)
And certain things set Bono off:
YouTube - U2 ELECTRIC CO. BROKEN MIC LIVE MADRID VERTIGO TOUR 2005
And thats what you did to me. Got it?
PS You cite Annenberg as your facts via google ? ever hear the Phrase" do as I say, not as I do" ?
When has Annenberg been caught in a lie even remotely resembling the fantasy land bullshit you posted about Obama's books?
Stop.
You can't defend the indefensible, you are just pissed that the facts contradict your ideology.
I reiterate for the viewing audience who may be reading a U2387 FYM post for the very last time, Benji has yet to refute factually any of the dreaded links he talks about.
I rest mine.
You are a scumbag.
How could you possibly think it is ok to condescend to a perfectly reasonable rebuttal of your lies and then say that I somehow lack in loyalty to my country?
Don't even pretend you were not taught how to debate by the right wing ideologues or that they are not your ideological soulmates.
You are wrong and nothing is changing that.
Again, jam that needle up your ass if you can make room for it beside your head, go fuck yourself and don't ever talk to me again.