lazarus
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Philly loses again.
I want to listen to this album, but their singer has spent the last week alienating white cis males on twitter, so I'm not sure if she wants me to listen to it or not.
Obviously she does, I just find her defiant posturing on twitter to be off-putting...which I guess is the point? But I'm not sure why it's the point.
Sounds great, but it wouldn't be difficult to convincepeopleme that it's off his previous album.
Saw Spoon last night. Thought it was a really good show, albeit slightly short and missing a couple songs they'd been playing regularly. But then they revealed at the end of the show that they played the entire gig with rented gear because all of their equipment had been held up by customs as they were traveling from the Dominican Republic to Philadelphia (something about a festival down there with My Morning Jacket). Which is crazy impressive.
that's a pretty defensive position to take. I get it, but when the right/alt-right/etc spends so much time telling feminists that they're triggered, but then we get triggered/offended/upset/hurt by a series of tweets that are pretty much spot fucking on?
"Straight white men don't review our album it's not for you" is completely understandable and acceptable. I can love and enjoy the record like I do but if I was writing for a publication I'd be asking for a female to review it, because there's shit to it that I can't understand because I'm not a woman.
No different to Mobb Deep calling out white writers for reviewing The Infamous.
This link should confirm to us how sexist we all, and the system, are: smirnoffequaliser.com
My ratio was 97 FUCKING PERCENT to 3.
I for one am outraged that Picasso dared to paint Guernica! As if he ever survived a mass bombing of his hometown!I want to listen to this album, but their singer has spent the last week alienating white cis males on twitter, so I'm not sure if she wants me to listen to it or not.
Obviously she does, I just find her defiant posturing on twitter to be off-putting...which I guess is the point? But I'm not sure why it's the point.
Ha, I know I know.
But still, I don't think an artist should decide who can or cannot review an album. Sure, you can find some opinions more valid than others but that doesn't mean they shouldn't express their opinion.
I also think that it's actually very positive if cis white men, who are the 'problem', review/listen to the album. It can always be a first step of becoming the solution. And well, if some of them don't like it, who cares. There will be tons of them who do like it .
obscured by clouds is by far the most underrated album of all time.
obscured by clouds is by far the most underrated album of all time.
Were you on weed or acid when you wrote this
It isn't even the most under-rated Pink Floyd album.
Anyone can listen to it and have a view on it, they're not saying that's the issue. They're saying straight white men don't review our album as it's not made for you; ie, the issues that it talks about are not aimed at you, therefore, it's much better off being reviewed by a woman, which is completely fair enough.
Here's a good thread on it: https://twitter.com/DJYwrites/status/971175969686876160
obscured by clouds is by far the most underrated album of all time.
okay, maybe it's not the most underrated of all time, though i would maintain that it's not too far off.
but it's easily the most underrated pink floyd album and i don't think it's even close. everything else between 1971 and 1981 gets a ton of well-deserved love, and OBC is more or less completely forgotten to everyone except huge floyd fans despite it being right in the middle of their prime years. the stuff that came before meddle isn't nearly as high-quality and the stuff after the wall is obviously not as good as 70s floyd but is still praised much more than OBC, which isn't even talked about at all. i don't know how a real argument could be made for any other floyd album. even the wall and meddle have some dogshit tracks on them, and imo obscured by clouds doesn't have any real clunkers.
I don't think any of us in this discussion are arguing that straight white males reviewing the album would necessarily improve the literature on the album. It's one perspective, perhaps one of interest, but clearly it's important that the target audience is heard as well. If I were in her position, I would want the same thing.
But my problem was Georgia being a total dick about it from the start and this guy doesn't really address that. Twitter encourages us to be curt and simplify our thoughts, so that's part of why Twitter "discussions" on issues like this, and the statements that begin them, tend to be so simplified and reactionary. If she had just said "hey, I think it would be best if straight white males offered other demographics the opportunity to review this because of the content," I wouldn't have even brought it up.
But again, this plays into the whole women should care about poor sensitive straight white men's feelings, and should temper everything they say so they fell loved and appreciated, and I'm sorry, but that's crap. It's fair enough if they're sick of that. Like you, I'd prefer a love-in as well, it's nicer, but I don't let it bother me, because fair enough. The onus is on us to listen and change, not for the women in question to temper everything they say.
leaving aside the fact that your taste in what's over and underrated is highly questionable after giving one a 2 and trip through your wires and so cruel a 1 out of 10...what do you think is the most underrated?
I like Camp Cope's first album quite a bit and am looking forward to hearing their new one, but does Georgia want me at one of her shows? I don't know. The music isn't for me.
Anyway, Atom Heart Mother is clearly superior to Obscured By Clouds. At least people sometimes talk about OBC - and usually in this very context, as an unheralded gem. AHM? Crickets, most of the time.
I imagine if you took that up with them they'd be okay with it.
AHM is also underrated, i agree (and i had a feeling that's what you were going to go for). personally i find the AHM suite to be about five minutes too long. if, summer 68, and fat old sun are absolutely some of their best, no argument there. but then you have alan's psychedelic breakfast which to me is much more of an ummagumma song, ie a step backwards (the narrow way excepted - the guitar on that track is brilliant).
but those three amazing songs in the middle are easily matched by burning bridges, wot's uh the deal, gold it's in the, childhood's end, and stay. there's more tracks of that quality on OBC than AHM and nothing in the clunker category like i said before.
atom heart mother is good but it feels like the band is still a work in progress at that point, still trying to figure out how to merge their talent at creating long instrumental suites with shorter more lyrical songs into a consistently strong album. i don't think it's too crazy to say that they mostly figured that formula out on meddle and that OBC is a refinement of that (and the dark side/wywh/animals period being the epitome of it). nick mason's book essentially says as much, that recording AHM was a difficult period for them all personally and professionally and the work suffered a bit as a result.