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Originally posted by Miss MacPhisto:
I never said i had all the details,
By making the statements you've made, you certainly ought to have them, or, at least a few.
and its true i cant remember,
You can't remember, or did you just not know in the first place?
and its also true that i dont have the time.
Yet, you have had PLENTY of time to tell us you can't remember and/or don't have the timeto elaborate[/b]
All I'm stating is that i am almost certain that the US government as at least partly responsible for what happened, and that the vast majority of pols are nothing but twisted sick ppl.
Yes, and while we're at it, let's blame the holocaust on the Jews; earthquakes on Southern Californians, and Bill Buckner's error in the World Series on Mookie Wilson.
Again, something to back these statements up would be nice
Thats all i came here to say, not to provide evryone with all the gorey details.
ANY of the details would be closer to the truth.
You can just get off your ass and go find out the truth yourself.
Just like you already have, right?
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Originally posted by Miss MacPhisto:
And I agree wholeheartedly with your last statement.
But as far as Arun is concerned, I do believe that it is perfectly fine for me to introduce statements he made to me prior to Sept 11th.
I couldnt believe it when i talked to him and he actually supported military action torwards Osama and Co. I was stunned. And I dunno about his sincerity at all: "I say a lot of things".
And i dont find an America Appreciation thread to be "brave" post Sept 11th - Everyone is babbling about how much they love it here now. Thats...nice, but...
Anyway, as I said, if you dont care about the people in this country, then you do not love this country.
[This message has been edited by Miss MacPhisto (edited 05-09-2002).]
So, how many politicians have you met? I can't believe the number would be so high as to enable you to say that 99% of all politicians are twisted, sick people (by the way, the amount of sick twisted politicians is going down, you originally had the number of politicians that don't care about people at 100%).Originally posted by Miss MacPhisto:
Its easy really. When you encounter a certain type of person, and evry person of that type that you meet, read, or hear about is a certain way, than you can pretty much assume that most of them are that way.
Thus, if the vast majority of pols are worthless I'll just go right ahead and put the figure at 99%.
Oh, and 80s, you didnt answer my question. How has the guy who goes to your church changed lives. how does he help people on a regular basis?
If you went up to people who formerly lived a hellish life, and/or lived in poverty, in the bad part of town, etc etc, and asked them who had made a positive difference in their lives, would they really name some people in government?!?! Would they really name Bush, Cheney, the dude from your church, etc??
[This message has been edited by Miss MacPhisto (edited 05-09-2002).]
Originally posted by Miss MacPhisto:
I know my statement is insulting. Thats what its intended to do. I dont mind insulting criminals, which most pols are, in one way or another.
So you named a few. So that still means, what, 99% of pols dont do shit for anyone other than themselves, and their friends.
99% is close enough for me to make a broad statement like that.
Originally posted by U2LA:
I stopped reading this around the time people started attacking each other as they often do in this place but Koby I've got to say THANK YOU!!! I love conspiracies, true or not, I think it is fascinating how stories can be made out of a few facts or comments. This conspiracy theory is indeed an interesting one!
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Originally posted by Miss MacPhisto:
So you named a few. So that still means, what, 99% of pols dont do shit for anyone other than themselves, and their friends.
99% is close enough for me to make a broad statement like that.
Originally posted by speedracer:
Let's see...allowing for rounding of percentages, you'd have to name 67 politicians, and demonstrate that 66 of them are crooked, for me to believe this statement.
Originally posted by sv:
Just ask yourself: who benefited the most from the horrendous human rights crime that we call the bombing of Afghanistan? Without a doubt, the U.S. and British companies that will eventually control the region's oil resources. Just wait and watch.
And who developed and helped fund Bin Laden and Al Queda? By all accounts, the U.S. military and intelligence community.
And the very idea that the air security over the Pentagon could be so pathetic is very hard to sustain given the little we do know about its funding, our intelligence services, and the secret service.
Ummm..sorry to disappoint you, but technically, the US did not, I repeat not, develop nor fund Al Qaeda. The only time we funded Bin Laden was when he was a "freedom fighter" (mujahedeen) against the Soviets. Neither the Taliban nor Al Qaeda existed at that time.Originally posted by sv:
And who developed and helped fund Bin Laden and Al Queda? By all accounts, the U.S. military and intelligence community.
that is being very technical indeedOriginally posted by 80sU2isBest:
Ummm..sorry to disappoint you, but technically, the US did not, I repeat not, develop nor fund Al Qaeda. The only time we funded Bin Laden was when he was a "freedom fighter"
Yes it is, but I ahd to point out that very important distinction. When someone says we funded Bin Laden and then leave it at that, they are only saying the provocative part. What they leave out is that what we trained the Mujahadeen to fight the Soviets. We did not train them in "Terrorism 101" Of course, it does make it more of a shocker when people phrase it as "The USA trained Al Qaeda and Bin Laden".Originally posted by Salome:
that is being very technical indeedOriginally posted by 80sU2isBest:
Ummm..sorry to disappoint you, but technically, the US did not, I repeat not, develop nor fund Al Qaeda. The only time we funded Bin Laden was when he was a "freedom fighter"
Originally posted by 80sU2isBest:
Ummm..sorry to disappoint you, but technically, the US did not, I repeat not, develop nor fund Al Qaeda. The only time we funded Bin Laden was when he was a "freedom fighter" (mujahedeen) against the Soviets. Neither the Taliban nor Al Qaeda existed at that time.Originally posted by sv:
And who developed and helped fund Bin Laden and Al Queda? By all accounts, the U.S. military and intelligence community.
I agreeOriginally posted by 80sU2isBest:
We did not train them in "Terrorism 101" Of course, it does make it more of a shocker when people phrase it as "The USA trained Al Qaeda and Bin Laden".
Originally posted by Salome:
I agreeOriginally posted by 80sU2isBest:
We did not train them in "Terrorism 101" Of course, it does make it more of a shocker when people phrase it as "The USA trained Al Qaeda and Bin Laden".
now that the results are the same you do have to wonder whether it was a good idea in the first place to finance the Mujahadeen
even though it probably served a purpose at the time
I agreeOriginally posted by Salome:
and that was the reason why the Mujahadeen got funds?Originally posted by Arun V:
If we didn't help..the afghan people ..would be speaking russian
Originally posted by Salome:
and that was the reason why the Mujahadeen got funds?Originally posted by Arun V:
If we didn't help..the afghan people ..would be speaking russian
Originally posted by STING2:
Actually the only funding that the USA sent Iraq was minor compared to what they were recieving from the Soviets and Chinese. We gave them a lone for grain, trucks and a few transport helicopters. Compared that to over 20,000 armored vehicles, over 10,000 artillery pieces, over a thousand aircraft supplied to them by the Santa of Saddam, the Soviet Union.
When talking of the Majahadeen, remember that the Northern Alliance also came out of that group and fought hard against the Taliban and UBL and his pathetic group Al Quada for many years. With are massive help last fall, the Northern Alliance finally freed the country of the nightmare which was the Taliban and its rule and abuse of Women and girls.
Originally posted by sv:
Regarding MOTIVE: For a long time, the U.S. has recognized that a united Islamic world, if accomplished, might pose the greatest threat to U.S. hegemony. In 1998, Dick Cheney stated that the greatest near-future threat to U.S. national security was the possibility that the oil reserves in Central Asia would be controlled by an Islamic government unfriendly to U.S. ambitions.
Originally posted by diamond:
Maybe MissMac was drinking too much coffee or
something.
I dunno.
diamond
Originally posted by Arun V:
OK...this is it...
Just because I value peace, and don't believe that the american military should place lives at risk by performing police operations everywhere doesn't mean I'm against the war on terrorism. And anytime your pro american in FYM your likely to get your balls chopped off.
and to say that I dont' love the american ppl...is ludicrous. Number 1 you are not a qualified source to determine what MY emotions are and second NO ONE gave you the right to determine what patriotism is and isn't. Why don't you let me determine what my feeelings are and express them how I choose.
and to say I dont' care about the needy in america?????
prior to september 11th I have said that the military budget should be trimmed to take care of the needy in america. Post september 11th that sacrifice cannot be made ( though I think the military should be a bit less wasteful with it's money).
My track record on this forum and to anyone that actually listens to me is clear. "oh arun said this, arun that" this thread isn't even about me to begin with.
You;ve expressed what some would consider anti american views in this thread..you dont' see me attacking your love of this country.
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Originally posted by kobayashi:
i know politicians. not american ones, but canadians. are they criminals?
i was on student council, am i a criminal?