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VintagePunk said:
We actually got into a discussion about Ron Paul a week or so ago, about how he appeals to young people because he's apparently not with the establishment, and close to being libertarian, but we looked up his platform, and he's TOTALLY REPUBLICAN!! His stance on women's/reproductive rights is appalling, for one thing, ARGH. :|
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I know. That's what I keep thinking about each time I hear him speak. I like his general "stop starting stupid wars" stance and do agree with the idea of legalizing marijuana (don't smoke pot at all, never have, but given all the other stuff that's legal that people put in their bodies, I don't really see how pot could possibly be any worse). But yeah. There's that, and he's not exactly pro-gay rights, I don't think, and then there's that whole thing with the papers from some group or something he was part of years ago that were deeply racist in nature, so...enough to backpedal, definitely.

TaraCynara said:
I was old enough to vote in 2004, actually, but I refuse to register. I refuse to vote because, in my honest opinion, I deserve better than to vote for the lesser of two evils. :D
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I too fully understand that thought, and agree, but at the same time, to not vote doesn't really help, either, in my opinion. You should use your voice to help try and fight for a day when we DO get better options. Multiple options.

It does feel frustrating, though, yes. I vote, but the politicians are so tied to corporate interests and lobbies now that it makes me feel like I don't have much control or say, if any. And protests aren't exactly "in" anymore, because they generally wind up attracting crazy people or people who are just there to be there and don't actually care about the issue at hand.

So I have no idea what the hell else to do that would make an actual impact, other than just keep voting and express my opinion the best way I know how.

Count me in as an Obama supporter, too, by the way. I may not agree with every single decision he's made, but he's trying his best, I feel he's sincere and cares, and I sometimes think he is playing some sort of game with the Republicans from time to time, and messing with them a bit.

VintagePunk said:
I should actually just say this. I used to be very active in FYM, I could listen to the views of others, and comment rationally, even if their views differed from mine. Maybe I could learn from them! Or something. Over the past few years, I've gotten more and more politically involved, and my tolerance for conservative views has decreased exponentially. Since then, I've made myself scarce from FYM, because I ought to be able to contribute something more valuable than "you're an idiot!" but at this point, I just can't.
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I've had many a good discussion with the more conservative members of that forum before. I still don't agree with their stances, but generally it's been pretty respectful and a good, proper debate.

But yes. It is awfully hard to have tolerance for blatantly untrue or stupid opinions (and I don't refer so much to FYM when I say that as much as society in general). Sorry, but if you're anti-gay rights, you're WRONG. If you think Iraq was a good venture, you're WRONG. If you think Obama is a secret Muslim/communist/socialist/Hitler/Marxist whatever the hell you think who wasn't born here, YOU'RE WRONG AND STUPID TO BOOT. And so on.

I mainly go back there just 'cause I like talking about random stuff like that. I like debating and discussing things. And I do kinda like it when we get a conservative in, because otherwise it becomes like an echo chamber after a while :p.
 
VintagePunk said:
I agree, understand, and have felt the same way myself, at times. But if you don't vote, you may end up with the worst of two evils. :)
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True.

Moonlit_Angel said:
I know. That's what I keep thinking about each time I hear him speak. I like his general "stop starting stupid wars" stance and do agree with the idea of legalizing marijuana (don't smoke pot at all, never have, but given all the other stuff that's legal that people put in their bodies, I don't really see how pot could possibly be any worse). But yeah. There's that, and he's not exactly pro-gay rights, I don't think, and then there's that whole thing with the papers from some group or something he was part of years ago that were deeply racist in nature, so...enough to backpedal, definitely.



I too fully understand that thought, and agree, but at the same time, to not vote doesn't really help, either, in my opinion. You should use your voice to help try and fight for a day when we DO get better options. Multiple options.

It does feel frustrating, though, yes. I vote, but the politicians are so tied to corporate interests and lobbies now that it makes me feel like I don't have much control or say, if any. And protests aren't exactly "in" anymore, because they generally wind up attracting crazy people or people who are just there to be there and don't actually care about the issue at hand.

So I have no idea what the hell else to do that would make an actual impact, other than just keep voting and express my opinion the best way I know how.
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Again, very true. My main problem is: I have no opinion. :shrug:


I blame it on my Native American-ness. All we do is wait for the day with the US government says, "Fuck it! Let's leave this place to the damn Indians and go back!" :lol:

(that was a joke, btw :reject:)
 
TaraCynara said:
One quick thing: I love Bill Maher. He's hilarious.

Hey, U2. U2 rocks man. VP, I love your Fly av. Have I ever told you? :love:
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:lol:

Moonlit_Angel said:
I know. That's what I keep thinking about each time I hear him speak. I like his general "stop starting stupid wars" stance and do agree with the idea of legalizing marijuana (don't smoke pot at all, never have, but given all the other stuff that's legal that people put in their bodies, I don't really see how pot could possibly be any worse). But yeah. There's that, and he's not exactly pro-gay rights, I don't think, and then there's that whole thing with the papers from some group or something he was part of years ago that were deeply racist in nature, so...enough to backpedal, definitely.



I too fully understand that thought, and agree, but at the same time, to not vote doesn't really help, either, in my opinion. You should use your voice to help try and fight for a day when we DO get better options. Multiple options.

It does feel frustrating, though, yes. I vote, but the politicians are so tied to corporate interests and lobbies now that it makes me feel like I don't have much control or say, if any. And protests aren't exactly "in" anymore, because they generally wind up attracting crazy people or people who are just there to be there and don't actually care about the issue at hand.

So I have no idea what the hell else to do that would make an actual impact, other than just keep voting and express my opinion the best way I know how.

Count me in as an Obama supporter, too, by the way. I may not agree with every single decision he's made, but he's trying his best, I feel he's sincere and cares, and I sometimes think he is playing some sort of game with the Republicans from time to time, and messing with them a bit.



I've had many a good discussion with the more conservative members of that forum before. I still don't agree with their stances, but generally it's been pretty respectful and a good, proper debate.

But yes. It is awfully hard to have tolerance for blatantly untrue or stupid opinions (and I don't refer so much to FYM when I say that as much as society in general). Sorry, but if you're anti-gay rights, you're WRONG. If you think Iraq was a good venture, you're WRONG. If you think Obama is a secret Muslim/communist/socialist/Hitler/Marxist whatever the hell you think who wasn't born here, YOU'RE WRONG AND STUPID TO BOOT. And so on.

I mainly go back there just 'cause I like talking about random stuff like that. I like debating and discussing things. And I do kinda like it when we get a conservative in, because otherwise it becomes like an echo chamber after a while :p.
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First of all, I don't go into FYM much these days, but let me just say that when I do/did, I really enjoy your posts, you get your point across, but they're very balanced and tolerant. They're who I was when I posted in there, but who I don't really feel like I can be, these days. But still, I admire that you can, and often wish I could be. :)

But yes, I definitely hear you that there are some societal arguments that there are absolutely no defense against, and I guess that's where my issues lie. Having the same arguments with the same people. To no avail.

Thora said:
Oh, that makes sense (I assume that's a temp agency). :)


Time for homemade pizza and a movie. :drool:
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Yay! I actually took pizza dough out of the freezer last night, but didn't feel like stopping to pick up the toppings tonight. tomorrow, I guess.

TaraCynara said:
True.



Again, very true. My main problem is: I have no opinion. :shrug:


I blame it on my Native American-ness. All we do is wait for the day with the US government says, "Fuck it! Let's leave this place to the damn Indians and go back!" :lol:

(that was a joke, btw :reject:)
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Aw. I actually live about 10 - 15 minutes away from the biggest reservation in Canada, my city has a very large native population, the last guy I dated was reservation born and bred. Like the rest of us, some are very politically active, others aren't. I wish I could say our country has a great record with its native Canadian members, but it doesn't. The political party I'm a member of wishes to fix that. :)
 
TaraCynara said:
Again, very true. My main problem is: I have no opinion. :shrug:
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And that's fine :)! Believe me, I know the feeling. I totally understand being all, "Oh, just fuck it, we're screwed no matter what." I certainly hope I wasn't coming off all lecturing or such.

TaraCynara said:
I blame it on my Native American-ness. All we do is wait for the day with the US government says, "Fuck it! Let's leave this place to the damn Indians and go back!" :lol:

(that was a joke, btw :reject:)
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:lol: :yes: This is true! You guys do kind of have a massive right to bitch about the government as a whole.

VintagePunk said:
First of all, I don't go into FYM much these days, but let me just say that when I do/did, I really enjoy your posts, you get your point across, but they're very balanced and tolerant. They're who I was when I posted in there, but who I don't really feel like I can be, these days. But still, I admire that you can, and often wish I could be. :)
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Thanks :). Believe me, I don't know if I could be as calm if I were actually talking face-to-face. I like writing/typing out my opinions much better for the very reason I do come off calmer and am able to explain my thoughts much more easily. Face-to-face, I know I've gotten very emotional and intense sometimes-ask my sister :p. And sometimes it is hard to show some restraint, be it in FYM or in other areas of the boards (sometimes I bite my tongue during some music discussions, because I can just feel the wave of hipster/snobbery floating in and I'm just not a fan of that musical attitude/mindset. I like the people on this board in general and have no problem with them or anything, just sometimes the opinions expressed, I'm thinking, "Hmmmmmmm...". But I'll leave it at that, because I don't want to feel like I'm talking about people behind their backs or anything).

I always did like what you had to say, too. Sometimes I feel I can be a bit too passive and you seem to have a little more certainty and ability to confront people more easily, which is a quality I wish I had more of.

VintagePunk said:
But yes, I definitely hear you that there are some societal arguments that there are absolutely no defense against, and I guess that's where my issues lie
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Totally understandable. There's some things I just can't compromise on, either. Everyone's perfectly entitled to an opinion, but when the facts are staring you in the face, that's when any wise person should be able to go, "Okay, I was wrong, I admit it." If you don't do that, then...:shrug:. I don't know what to tell you anymore.

VintagePunk said:
Yay! I actually took pizza dough out of the freezer last night, but didn't feel like stopping to pick up the toppings tonight. tomorrow, I guess.
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Aw. Well, yeah, then, something to look forward to tomorrow.

We had Taco Tico for dinner here. Again. It's sort of a weekend ritual for me and my mom at this point :p.
 
VintagePunk said:
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:D


VintagePunk said:
Aw. I actually live about 10 - 15 minutes away from the biggest reservation in Canada, my city has a very large native population, the last guy I dated was reservation born and bred. Like the rest of us, some are very politically active, others aren't. I wish I could say our country has a great record with its native Canadian members, but it doesn't. The political party I'm a member of wishes to fix that. :)
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Communism, huh?

From what I remember (from 6th social studies), communism is a "all for one, one for all" kind of thing, right? Or am I completely wrong?
 
Moonlit_Angel said:
And that's fine :)! Believe me, I know the feeling. I totally understand being all, "Oh, just fuck it, we're screwed no matter what." I certainly hope I wasn't coming off all lecturing or such.
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Oh, not all! I just wanted... um... actually, I have no freaking idea. :lol:

Moonlit_Angel said:
:lol: :yes: This is true! You guys do kind of have a massive right to bitch about the government as a whole.
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And that's something we're not afraid to remind everyone of. Every single chance we get. :wink::lol:

(another lame joke)
 
Moonlit_Angel said:
Thanks :). Believe me, I don't know if I could be as calm if I were actually talking face-to-face. I like writing/typing out my opinions much better for the very reason I do come off calmer and am able to explain my thoughts much more easily. Face-to-face, I know I've gotten very emotional and intense sometimes-ask my sister :p. And sometimes it is hard to show some restraint, be it in FYM or in other areas of the boards (sometimes I bite my tongue during some music discussions, because I can just feel the wave of hipster/snobbery floating in and I'm just not a fan of that musical attitude/mindset. I like the people on this board in general and have no problem with them or anything, just sometimes the opinions expressed, I'm thinking, "Hmmmmmmm...". But I'll leave it at that, because I don't want to feel like I'm talking about people behind their backs or anything).

I always did like what you had to say, too. Sometimes I feel I can be a bit too passive and you seem to have a little more certainty and ability to confront people more easily, which is a quality I wish I had more of.



Totally understandable. There's some things I just can't compromise on, either. Everyone's perfectly entitled to an opinion, but when the facts are staring you in the face, that's when any wise person should be able to go, "Okay, I was wrong, I admit it." If you don't do that, then...:shrug:. I don't know what to tell you anymore.



Aw. Well, yeah, then, something to look forward to tomorrow.

We had Taco Tico for dinner here. Again. It's sort of a weekend ritual for me and my mom at this point :p.
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Thanks. The turning point for me in there was when one of the conservative members came out against the HPV vaccine - and he has a young daughter. How much idiocy does that take?? Good God. I lost it. Be as fucking religious as you want, but also be realistic about your daughter's health and life span. She could be the most pure virgin ever, but unless her eventual husband is too, and is 100% honest and truthful about it, she's screwed, buddy. Since then, I rarely post. To be honest, i hardly read these days either, because to read would be to be tempted to post. And the thing is, I don't think this conservative person is a bad person, I think he has good intentions...but when it comes to your values and your female child's health, there IS only one right choice. :| Argh, I'm getting all worked up just thinking about it. :lol:

But yeah, I post in B&C very rarely, but I agree with you. I used to enjoy it more than I did. That place needs a few more non-hipster people to balance it out.
 
TaraCynara said:
:D



Communism, huh?

From what I remember (from 6th social studies), communism is a "all for one, one for all" kind of thing, right? Or am I completely wrong?
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Ha, not exactly, I just jokingly said that because that's how conservative people in the US think of us. To be honest, although our conservative party seems to be mimicking yours more and more, it's still far left of yours.

I belong to the NDP party, which is more along the lines of a socialist party, even though your politics and media has made "socialist" a bad word. Here is a link, if you'd like to check it out. New Democratic Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here s what Wikipedia says their platform is. Scary, huh? :shudder:

New Democrats today advocate, among other things:
Gender equality and equal rights for LGBT citizens
Improving environmental protection through government regulations
National water safety standards
Increasing corporate taxes[4]
Reducing poverty in Canada[5]
Aggressive human rights protection
Expanding funding for public transportation
Expanding public health care, including dental and prescription drug coverage
Social assistance policies that reflects citizens' needs and assist their re-entry to the work force
Abolishing the unelected Senate of Canada and ensuring more proportional representation[6]
Workers' rights including raising the minimum wage to pace the cost of living
Aboriginal peoples' treaty, land, and constitutional rights
A foreign policy that emphasizes diplomacy, peacekeeping, and humanitarian aid instead of offensive military action
Renegotiating the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)
One wing is focused on ending the Canadian War on Drugs and legalizing recreational drugs[7]
Lowering taxes for small businesses


What a frightening world that would be, if all those things came to pass...
 
VintagePunk said:
Ha, not exactly, I just jokingly said that because that's how conservative people in the US think of us. To be honest, although our conservative party seems to be mimicking yours more and more, it's still far left of yours.

I belong to the NDP party, which is more along the lines of a socialist party, even though your politics and media has made "socialist" a bad word. Here is a link, if you'd like to check it out. New Democratic Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here s what Wikipedia says their platform is. Scary, huh? :shudder:

New Democrats today advocate, among other things:
Gender equality and equal rights for LGBT citizens
Improving environmental protection through government regulations
National water safety standards
Increasing corporate taxes[4]
Reducing poverty in Canada[5]
Aggressive human rights protection
Expanding funding for public transportation
Expanding public health care, including dental and prescription drug coverage
Social assistance policies that reflects citizens' needs and assist their re-entry to the work force
Abolishing the unelected Senate of Canada and ensuring more proportional representation[6]
Workers' rights including raising the minimum wage to pace the cost of living
Aboriginal peoples' treaty, land, and constitutional rights
A foreign policy that emphasizes diplomacy, peacekeeping, and humanitarian aid instead of offensive military action
Renegotiating the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)
One wing is focused on ending the Canadian War on Drugs and legalizing recreational drugs[7]
Lowering taxes for small businesses


What a frightening world that would be, if all those things came to pass...
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That sounds like heaven. If all those things come to pass, I'm moving to Canada. :yes:
 
VintagePunk said:
Thanks. The turning point for me in there was when one of the conservative members came out against the HPV vaccine - and he has a young daughter. How much idiocy does that take?? Good God. I lost it. Be as fucking religious as you want, but also be realistic about your daughter's health and life span. She could be the most pure virgin ever, but unless her eventual husband is too, and is 100% honest and truthful about it, she's screwed, buddy. Since then, I rarely post. To be honest, i hardly read these days either, because to read would be to be tempted to post. And the thing is, I don't think this conservative person is a bad person, I think he has good intentions...but when it comes to your values and your female child's health, there IS only one right choice. :| Argh, I'm getting all worked up just thinking about it. :lol:
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I wholeheartedly agree with you. It's like the stupid debate now about allowing people to get contraception covered on their health insurance and how religious people are bitching that that offends their "religious moral code" or some such BS. I don't get how promoting something that leads to safe sex is suddenly "immoral" or whatever.

Yeah. When religion starts getting in the way of common sense like that, I just have to shake my head. Isn't there a line, a point where you have to break away and go, "You know, this really doesn't make any sense for me to be against this"? I'd like to think God, if he/she/it does exist, would fully understand if you dare to disagree with the church on something.

Bah. I don't know. That's a whole other topic onto itself.

VintagePunk said:
But yeah, I post in B&C very rarely, but I agree with you. I used to enjoy it more than I did. That place needs a few more non-hipster people to balance it out.
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It'd be nice. I have way too many "unpopular opinions" there musically :p. I mean, everyone's been really nice about my tastes and such, they may poke fun at the artists, but never at me personally for liking them, and if they don't like them, that's fine, I don't have a problem with that in and of itself. But still...

TaraCynara said:
Oh, not all! I just wanted... um... actually, I have no freaking idea. :lol:


And that's something we're not afraid to remind everyone of. Every single chance we get. :wink::lol:

(another lame joke)
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:lol: :hug: Well, hopefully over time people will finally properly pay attention. They sadly can't do anything about the past, but if we learn from it and stop it happening in the future, that's always a good thing.
 
VintagePunk said:
Ha, not exactly, I just jokingly said that because that's how conservative people in the US think of us. To be honest, although our conservative party seems to be mimicking yours more and more, it's still far left of yours.

I belong to the NDP party, which is more along the lines of a socialist party, even though your politics and media has made "socialist" a bad word. Here is a link, if you'd like to check it out. New Democratic Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here s what Wikipedia says their platform is. Scary, huh? :shudder:

New Democrats today advocate, among other things:
Gender equality and equal rights for LGBT citizens
Improving environmental protection through government regulations
National water safety standards
Increasing corporate taxes[4]
Reducing poverty in Canada[5]
Aggressive human rights protection
Expanding funding for public transportation
Expanding public health care, including dental and prescription drug coverage
Social assistance policies that reflects citizens' needs and assist their re-entry to the work force
Abolishing the unelected Senate of Canada and ensuring more proportional representation[6]
Workers' rights including raising the minimum wage to pace the cost of living
Aboriginal peoples' treaty, land, and constitutional rights
A foreign policy that emphasizes diplomacy, peacekeeping, and humanitarian aid instead of offensive military action
Renegotiating the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)
One wing is focused on ending the Canadian War on Drugs and legalizing recreational drugs[7]
Lowering taxes for small businesses


What a frightening world that would be, if all those things came to pass...
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:love:

*Angels descend from the heavens, chorus of "Aaahhhhhhhh..." starts up, the occasional "Hallelujah!" can be heard, fluffy white clouds appear...*
 
And you know, lowering tax rates on big business has been a proven failure, to the extent that I cannot understand how anyone can even deny it, these days, Through all of the republican/conservative eras when this has been in place, it has NOT helped the unemployment rate. ARRGH. I wish all North Americans would be forced to take courses in media studies and economics. For at least a basic understanding. Republican/conservative economic policies do NOT work.
 
I've had some beer and all this politcin' talk....

How did I hurt my neck? I freakin wiped out in a big old bad way on my way to work. There was ice on the sidewalk and it was wet. My feet flew out from under me and I landed square on my back. I think I tensed for impact and thats when I strained my neck. It hurts all over. I'm using beer and Aleve to make me better.
 
TaraCynara said:
That sounds like heaven. If all those things come to pass, I'm moving to Canada. :yes:
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:lol: Or...you could become politically involved and work toward that in the US! :)

Moonlit_Angel said:
I wholeheartedly agree with you. It's like the stupid debate now about allowing people to get contraception covered on their health insurance and how religious people are bitching that that offends their "religious moral code" or some such BS. I don't get how promoting something that leads to safe sex is suddenly "immoral" or whatever.

Yeah. When religion starts getting in the way of common sense like that, I just have to shake my head. Isn't there a line, a point where you have to break away and go, "You know, this really doesn't make any sense for me to be against this"? I'd like to think God, if he/she/it does exist, would fully understand if you dare to disagree with the church on something.

Bah. I don't know. That's a whole other topic onto itself.



It'd be nice. I have way too many "unpopular opinions" there musically :p. I mean, everyone's been really nice about my tastes and such, they may poke fun at the artists, but never at me personally for liking them, and if they don't like them, that's fine, I don't have a problem with that in and of itself. But still...



:lol: :hug: Well, hopefully over time people will finally properly pay attention. They sadly can't do anything about the past, but if we learn from it and stop it happening in the future, that's always a good thing.
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Agree with all of this. But i still think you're far more tolerant than I am. or you haven't hit your intolerance threshold yet. :lol:

Moonlit_Angel said:
:love:

*Angels descend from the heavens, chorus of "Aaahhhhhhhh..." starts up, the occasional "Hallelujah!" can be heard, fluffy white clouds appear...*
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Ha!! We still have a long way to work toward that. Not sure how knowledgable about Canadian politics you are, but we have three major parties, the conservatives (right, but not quite as right as yours), the liberals (slightly left of centre, although I'd say they're more centre, now) and the NDP, who are socialist, left of centre. Canada overall is left of centre, but because the left of centre votes are being split between the two parties, the only party right of centre, has won the past few elections - bleh.. :(
 
GraceRyan said:
I've had some beer and all this politcin' talk....

How did I hurt my neck? I freakin wiped out in a big old bad way on my way to work. There was ice on the sidewalk and it was wet. My feet flew out from under me and I landed square on my back. I think I tensed for impact and thats when I strained my neck. It hurts all over. I'm using beer and Aleve to make me better.
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Sorry, that sucks, But at least you have beer, right? :hi5:

I'm approaching interpretive dancing level of posting. It would take an old timer to explain that.
 
Moonlit_Angel said:
:lol: :hug: Well, hopefully over time people will finally properly pay attention. They sadly can't do anything about the past, but if we learn from it and stop it happening in the future, that's always a good thing.
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:hug:

Moonlit_Angel said:
:love:

*Angels descend from the heavens, chorus of "Aaahhhhhhhh..." starts up, the occasional "Hallelujah!" can be heard, fluffy white clouds appear...*
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:lol:

GraceRyan said:
I've had some beer and all this politcin' talk....

How did I hurt my neck? I freakin wiped out in a big old bad way on my way to work. There was ice on the sidewalk and it was wet. My feet flew out from under me and I landed square on my back. I think I tensed for impact and thats when I strained my neck. It hurts all over. I'm using beer and Aleve to make me better.
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:hug:


*sends over a certain Irishman with more beer and an intent to massage*
:shifty::wink:

ryancoke71 said:
For old times sake....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CFJw7_MkPw
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:lol::applaud:
That is the greatest thing EVER
 
Btw, if anyone wants to watch an awsome series and an excellent portray of high school in the 80s, watch Freaks and Geeks, it's available on dvd, or you can download it. Sarah watched it first, and then made me watch it to vouch for its realism. It's an amazing series, and it's too bad it only lasted one season. It's in my top 5 for sure.
 
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