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No, there is no such thing as right wing extremists...
This IS the insanity that Glenn Beck is feeding, and many of the tea baggers are falling into...
This IS the insanity that Glenn Beck is feeding, and many of the tea baggers are falling into...
At this point it is. Will it go lower in 2 months, 4 months?
Well, its hard to say that with GDP growing at a 3.5% rate in the third quarter.
They were big in January, but they have grown considerably since Obama has been in office, and it looks they like they will keep growing for some time under Obama's current plans.
Well, if you look at Iraq, the threat of Saddam was removed in 2003, and the country despite the violence since then has been steadily rebuilding and developing. Obama has followed Bush policy 100% on Iraq. Violence is down to levels lower than in the United States, economic growth has shot up, the Iraqi military is in the lead all over the country and doing a good job at providing security, with the continued success in these area's more US troops will be able to leave Iraq. This is NOT a failure, this is a success. Its especially a success in light of your own statements and predictions that "Iraq could not function as a country and needed to be partitioned", that "Iraq is a civil war" that "the United States military is incapable of resolving the problems" etc. etc. In light of such predictions and statements, Iraq is currently a great success.
Afghanistan has turned out to be a more longterm problem do to, Afghanistan's more undeveloped society, the Taliban safe havens in Pakistan and Pakistans own problems. Although the situation has recently worsened with the Taliban, it would be inaccurate to call the war a failure. Obama can succeed here provided he listens to Bush's Secretary Of Defense instead of the hardcore liberals who pushed for and got him elected.
I think Obama is doing a good job at this time, but a lot of other people do not.
That will depend on conditions in 2012. Will Obama try to claim he won the Iraq war? The War in Afghanistan? What will the unemployment rate be at in October 2012 just before the election? Will it be lower than it was in November 2008 when he got elected? Will the average American in 2012 think the past 4 years under Obama was better for them than the previous four years under Bush?
Bush's last year in office, 2008, the annual unemployment rate was 5.8%. The annual unemployment rate for Obama's first year in office is likely to be 9.3%. Will any of Obama's years in office be able to match any of the 8 years Bush was in office in terms of annual unemployment? In order to match Bush's worst year for unemployment, Obama will have to bring unemployment down below 6%.
If unemployment is 7% or 8% in 2012, its unlikely that it will be a breeze for him to be re-elected.
Obama definitely has time, but he does not have forever. Plus, this time, he will have to actually run on his record. The grand speeches that worked in 2008 won't work in 2012. Obama won't be able to run as the "change" candidate in 2012 either.
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Well, I do agree with steps 1 and 2...and so do many Democrats...
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Oh really? You agree with not paying your taxes, and so do a lot of Dems?
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Say all you want about the liberal reaction to Bush's disputed election and subsequent reelection, but this level of disloyalty bordering on treason has no comparison.
And I thought I'd seen it all during the Clinton Administration.
And I thought I'd seen it all during the Clinton Administration.
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Say all you want about the liberal reaction to Bush's disputed election and subsequent reelection, but this level of disloyalty bordering on treason has no comparison.
And I thought I'd seen it all during the Clinton Administration.
Bill Clinton was still a white guy from Arkansas.
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I thought "the beast" was referring to the consumer-based economic system
Se7en
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even though the billboard clearly states it is a reference to government?
Irvine511
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"starve the beast" came out of the 80s -- essentially, some of the anti-government fanatics wanted to cut taxes so low that they would have to shut down the Department of Labor, Department of Education, Department of Housing, etc.
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can you imagine the outrage if this happened at any time during dubya's presidency? oh my god, the firing squads would be out.
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I've heard similar mantras on CNBC referring to changing the whole system by voting with your dollar (save money, avoid debt....) as well as voting out the incumbents of both political parties. However, these discussions did not include actual revolution - just change.
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Department of Defense?
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Of course not:
They pretend to care about deficit spending, of course they wait till one of theirs is out of the WH to start caring about it, but not when defense is concerned, the money comes from Jesus.
Irvine511
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no -- cut the government! not Defense!
Defense isn't at all a part of the government!
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This could be good news for Obama's 2012 prospects
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Liberals prefer a lighter skinned Obama, study says
When given a choice between a photo of a lighter-skinned version of Barack Obama versus a darker-skinned version, most voters who consider themselves Democrats last year selected the lighter version.
That's what research set to be published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of the Sciences found after surveying voters before and after the 2008 presidential election.
The survey of nearly 400 voters in Chicago and at Arizona and Florida State universities sought to determine how different people "see the world" and what effect, if any, skin color plays in one's personal or group politics, says Emily Balcetis, one of the researchers. A focal point was Obama's position as "racially ambiguous" or biracial.
"We showed participants several different photos of Barack Obama, and asked them to rate how well each photo represented who he really is," Balcetis says, explaining the research methodology. "Unbeknownst to participants, we altered some of the photos to make the candidate's skin tone lighter, and some to make the candidate's skin tone darker, than it was in the original photograph."
One of the researchers, Eugene Caruso of the University of Chicago, discovered that participants whose partisanship was the same as that of the candidate "consistently rated the lightened photographs as more representative of the candidate than the darkened photographs, whereas participants whose partisanship did not match that of the candidate showed the opposite pattern."
In other words, conservatives tended to see Obama as black, while liberals tended to see him as white. The more people thought lightened photographs reflected Obama, "the more likely they were to report voting for him in the actual election," Balcetis adds, noting that being part of a group that has the same political values motivates people to see their fellow group members positively. (The study, which included men and women, did not "have enough minority participants to see how the issue played out among nonwhites," says Balcetis.)
If any of this sounds vaguely familiar, well, it probably is. Even the researchers acknowledge that American and Western society's association with light skin color as good and dark skin color as bad is nothing new.
Certainly, there is no shortage of examples where dark skin versus light skin has been the subject of books, essays, articles, documentaries and even rap music. Renowned psychologist Kenneth Clark and his wife, Mamie Phipps Clark, explored the issue in the black doll tests during the 1940s. When black children were shown four dolls, identical except for color, the children preferred the white doll over the black ones. In 2005, Kiri Davis conducted a similar test in New York with results similar to the Clarks. Davis created an award-winning video to showcase her work.
Books such as "The Color Complex," Spike Lee's film, "School Daze," and even articles about Michelle Obama's chocolate skin further explore the prickly issue of skin color that lingers in African-American communities.
Other media-driven moments that some claim were designed to perpetuate negative images of dark skin include photographs of a dark and menacing O.J. Simpson the cover of Time magazine during his infamous murder trial in the 1990s. Last year, Hillary Clinton's camp was accused of releasing a television ad featuring darkened images of Obama during the presidential primaries.
"I think we're making real progress toward reducing the amount of overt discrimination and racism, but there are more subtle forms of bias that can still have very meaningful consequences," Balcetis notes.
"Our findings reinforce the point made by previous researchers that discussion should not only concern how people perceive blacks versus whites, but also how perceptions of blacks or biracial people vary within these groups."
When given a choice between a photo of a lighter-skinned version of Barack Obama versus a darker-skinned version, most voters who consider themselves Democrats last year selected the lighter version.
That's what research set to be published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of the Sciences found after surveying voters before and after the 2008 presidential election.
The survey of nearly 400 voters in Chicago and at Arizona and Florida State universities sought to determine how different people "see the world" and what effect, if any, skin color plays in one's personal or group politics, says Emily Balcetis, one of the researchers. A focal point was Obama's position as "racially ambiguous" or biracial.
"We showed participants several different photos of Barack Obama, and asked them to rate how well each photo represented who he really is," Balcetis says, explaining the research methodology. "Unbeknownst to participants, we altered some of the photos to make the candidate's skin tone lighter, and some to make the candidate's skin tone darker, than it was in the original photograph."
One of the researchers, Eugene Caruso of the University of Chicago, discovered that participants whose partisanship was the same as that of the candidate "consistently rated the lightened photographs as more representative of the candidate than the darkened photographs, whereas participants whose partisanship did not match that of the candidate showed the opposite pattern."
In other words, conservatives tended to see Obama as black, while liberals tended to see him as white. The more people thought lightened photographs reflected Obama, "the more likely they were to report voting for him in the actual election," Balcetis adds, noting that being part of a group that has the same political values motivates people to see their fellow group members positively. (The study, which included men and women, did not "have enough minority participants to see how the issue played out among nonwhites," says Balcetis.)
If any of this sounds vaguely familiar, well, it probably is. Even the researchers acknowledge that American and Western society's association with light skin color as good and dark skin color as bad is nothing new.
Certainly, there is no shortage of examples where dark skin versus light skin has been the subject of books, essays, articles, documentaries and even rap music. Renowned psychologist Kenneth Clark and his wife, Mamie Phipps Clark, explored the issue in the black doll tests during the 1940s. When black children were shown four dolls, identical except for color, the children preferred the white doll over the black ones. In 2005, Kiri Davis conducted a similar test in New York with results similar to the Clarks. Davis created an award-winning video to showcase her work.
Books such as "The Color Complex," Spike Lee's film, "School Daze," and even articles about Michelle Obama's chocolate skin further explore the prickly issue of skin color that lingers in African-American communities.
Other media-driven moments that some claim were designed to perpetuate negative images of dark skin include photographs of a dark and menacing O.J. Simpson the cover of Time magazine during his infamous murder trial in the 1990s. Last year, Hillary Clinton's camp was accused of releasing a television ad featuring darkened images of Obama during the presidential primaries.
"I think we're making real progress toward reducing the amount of overt discrimination and racism, but there are more subtle forms of bias that can still have very meaningful consequences," Balcetis notes.
"Our findings reinforce the point made by previous researchers that discussion should not only concern how people perceive blacks versus whites, but also how perceptions of blacks or biracial people vary within these groups."
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I find this to be an odd conclusion to draw from these patterns.
Irvine511
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some thoughts:
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just sayin'
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The only reason those Bush phone photoshops were funny was because Bush is a dimwit and it could be believable that he'd hold a phone upside down for a photo op.
You don't get quite the same way with Obama. There's a lot of things tea-baggers say about Obama, but stupid isn't on the top of their list.
Unless communists are now notorious for holding phones upside down to confuse Amerikuns.
The real photo, without the added bonus of an embarrassingly bad clock 'shopped on the wall.
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Actually, no, it really isn't believable at all. And if you (general you) honestly think it is believable, I'd say you're the one with intelligence issues.
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Relax, champ.
Se7en
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i also disapprove. so, if this was directed at me, i'm not sure what your point was. maybe you should stick to posting photoshopped images and internet slang. FTW LOLZ!!!!
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same image that tiger edge posted.
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