You can like any album you want because music is subjective. However, it should be clear to everyone that the band isn't up to the standard they were from 1984-1995. Musically and lyrically they aren't there anymore.
In your opinion.
You can like any album you want because music is subjective. However, it should be clear to everyone that the band isn't up to the standard they were from 1984-1995. Musically and lyrically they aren't there anymore.
music is subjective. However, it should be clear to everyone
In your opinion.
spot on! imo i would include POP too. one of their best lyrics ever!Screwtape2:You can like any album you want because music is subjective. However, it should be clear to everyone that the band isn't up to the standard they were from 1984-1995. Musically and lyrically they aren't there anymore.
it should be clear to anyone that All that you can't ... is their best album since Unforgettable Fire
because music is subjective and it's a very nice day outside and Adam is in no way related to me
Actually I think Boy is light years better than the last two albums and even Pop. I'd say the same about Edge's guitar playing. I'm not U2'd out. They just aren't up to their standards.
I really don't see what Coldplay, Radiohead or Bob Dylan have to do with anything.
If you look at it objectively most people would reach the same conclusion.
What I mean is that the STANDARD, if not in U2, isn't anywhere else I can hear. Try listening to other bands as much as U2 and see if you can take it. I can tell that anyone who is on this board must listen to U2 a lot since they are willing to offer opinions and criticize.
Try listening to Viva la Vida or Death and all his friends as much as your favorite U2 albums and see if it holds up to the STANDARD.
You mentioned before that Coldplay's new album is loved and that people are expecting U2 to be better. U2's last 2 albums compete with all of Coldplay's albums. Why wouldn't people expect it to be better? They are U2 fans.
I wish this STANDARD was applied to every other band. If U2 quit now there would be a black hole in rock 'n roll for sure.
if people would look at it objectively they would reach the conclusions that i make.
i, afterall, know all things in the realm of (subjective) taste in music. it is all subjective except when i look at it, then it is objective. so you are all knowing when it comes to something as subjective as taste in music?
do you even listen to yourself?
wow.
Boy thru Pop is indeed better than the last 2 albums (IN MY OPINION) but if somebody else feels differently, their opinion is just as valid. There is no place for the word objective here. Everything is subjective!
People need to be more objective.
you included
Not really. I use objectivity more than most people.
Yeah, that's fair. I think his style has definitely become more ordinary and boring, particularly on HTDAAB (ATYCLB definitely has some innovative and interesting bits). But I think that it probably boils down to which style you like more rather than any technical ability or even creativity. They wanted to write direct songs and the guitar backs that up. But I think he's still got it in him, and we will here it very soon. But I agree with you that Edge is best when he's painting textures and soundscapes--most notably on UF and JT (I think here he is at his most innovative, where he developed a sound that is uniquely his in the history of rock).
where is it written in stone that one U2 album is better than another or one phase of their career was more creative than another?
You can show me album sales and release dates and concert attendance numbers - these are facts and numbers but creativity cannot and WILL NEVER be measurable.
Therefore, you can state that their creative output from 1980-1994 was much higher than what it is today AS YOUR OPINION, NOT FACT.
I agree with you for the most part by the way but to say that you are objective about this is like saying the colour of this website is bright pink with a neon green flower pattern...
You aren't understanding me. When you are objective and make an analysis it isn't an opinion it is a factual conclusion. The difference is that it can be proven to another person with an objective mindset.
With some things, perhaps. But with music this statement is simply untrue.
You aren't understanding me. When you are objective and make an analysis it isn't an opinion it is a factual conclusion. The difference is that it can be proven to another person with an objective mindset.
You aren't understanding me. Making a "factual conclusion" about something that is subjective is an oxymoron and completely ridiculous...
Subjectivity and objectivity are ways of viewing things. Subjectivity is used for taste. Objectivity is used to make conclusions. Music is subjective because it is using taste. However, the artist can be viewed objectively because you can make factual conclusions about them and their work. Art relies on interpretation but the artist is a human being able to be plotted, understood and explained. I can't make it any clearer than that.
well you better try harder then
What FACTUAL conclusions can you make about their last 3 albums that will prove to another person that their creativity has diminished?
In fact, give me one fact, just one solid incontrovertible fact that will prove this without a shadow of a doubt.
A lack of the ethereal.
Every artist has a thing in their music that is theirs. For U2 it is the ethereal. An artist's prime usually ends when they go away from that thing. U2 would go deeper and deeper into atmospheres and taking us into the intangible. That peaked with Passengers. It isn't the sound of the band anymore. You can hear it from TUF through to Passengers. The lack of the ethereal is one reason they are out of their prime and why their stuff afterwards isn't up to standard.
A lack of the ethereal.
Every artist has a thing in their music that is theirs. For U2 it is the ethereal. An artist's prime usually ends when they go away from that thing. U2 would go deeper and deeper into atmospheres and taking us into the intangible. That peaked with Passengers. It isn't the sound of the band anymore. You can hear it from TUF through to Passengers. The lack of the ethereal is one reason they are out of their prime and why their stuff afterwards isn't up to standard.