shart1780
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Tell me how you feel about it, Indra. Do you find the thought gross?
ImOuttaControl said:Why not respect everyones opinion? If someone thinks its gross then they are entitled to their opinion! God forbid a parent teaches their child about the traditional man/woman relationship!
What crosses the line is when discrimination starts happening, and this 12 year old saying it's gross is not discriminating...it's just stating her opinion that she thinks its gross.
I'm 23. I think homosexuality is gross but then again I have homosexual friends and would never discriminate against them. There's a huge difference.
too many people are way too pc.
ImOuttaControl said:tolerance and accepting as right are two completetly different things. I tolerate homosexuality, but I don't think it's right. I suppose my parents didn't raise me correctly
shart1780 said:Tell me how you feel about it, Indra. Do you find the thought gross?
ImOuttaControl said:tolerance and accepting as right are two completetly different things. I tolerate homosexuality, but I don't think it's right. I suppose my parents didn't raise me correctly
indra said:
I think you missed the point -- at least my point.
I don't care that little Viv thinks homosexuality is gross -- as others have pointed out most 12 year olds think ALL sex is gross. What I reacted to is that she was "asked to name the country's biggest problem" and homosexuality was her answer. Even a 12 year old should be able to see that there are FAR bigger problems than the type of sexual relations people are having. And I think that her parents are teaching her to become a bigot (not because she thinks it's gross, but because it's kind of obvious that she's being taught that it's the biggest problem in the country).
indra said:
Well...
ImOuttaControl said:
Are you able to have the mindset of a 12 year old? Who are you so say this person shoud be able to see "that there are far bigger problems than the type of sexual relations.."
I'm a teacher. I teach grades 6-12. I teach the children in my class tolerance of all groups of people. BUT, 12 year olds DO NOT see the grand scheme of things in the world. It's called cognitive development. Children, which is what a 12 year old is, don't move to an abstract form of thinking for a couple of years yet. They are still in a a concrete state of mind. Things are right or wrong. Black and white. They are not able to see all ends. The may not see that "there are far bigger problems in the world." That all comes with cognitive development. Your reasoning just doesn't work here.
ImOuttaControl said:
Well...forcing people into a frame of mind that they don't believe is the same thing fascists tried to do...
Flying FuManchu said:When I surf for porn, and gay porn pops... I go, "GROSS!" Is that wrong?
indra said:
Honey, when I was twelve I was a freshman in high school and I'll tell you I knew there were far bigger issues in this country (any country, for that matter) than the manner in which people have sexual relations. I was a child, but I was able to think abstractly, thank you very much. I'm sorry to screw up your idea that 12 year olds only think concretely, but I was pondering then many of the issues I'm still pondering now. And I know several 8-13 year olds who do think abstractly (my niece is only 9 and yet is learning that not everyone believes the same things her parents do. And she's learning to decide for herself what is right, not merely to parrot her parents.
And I'm not blaming the kid, it's her parents I fault. She's clearly just parroting what they say.
A_Wanderer said:Frankly all hardcore porn is strange and off-putting. You humans shooting DNA at eachother - I find it offensive.
indra said:
You can say the same thing about the people working for civil rights in the 60's too.
indra said:
Huh? You really think homosexuality is this country's biggest problem? It would be GREAT if the sexual orientation of the nations' citizens was this country's biggest problem.
ImOuttaControl said:
Saying homosexuality is gross is not depriving anyone of their rights. It is just stating an opinion. The civil rights movement was completely different. Huge difference. Read a history book to see the sort of shit blacks had to deal with...attack dogs, fire hoses, disenfranchisement, tear gas, intimidation, brutality. What a slap in the face to blacks to equate the civil rights movement with a 12 year old saying homosexuality is gross.
Well...forcing people into a frame of mind that they don't believe is the same thing fascists tried to do...
shart1780 said:We'll have a big problem when the entire country turns gay.
ImOuttaControl said:
I teach 12 year olds every day. They are so immature and "black and white" in their thinking it is honestly funny as an educator. That's what I need to break through, but I know that really can't happen till the students reach 14-15 years old. Freshman at age 12? What kind of school did you go to???? Most freshman are 15 years old. Students graduate as seniors at about age 18.
indra said:And as far as the 8-13 year olds I know, I guess I just know an extraordinarily bright group of kids (and when I think of it...they really are wickedly smart kids -- in some ways I pity them, life will be hard for a while).
whenhiphopdrovethebigcars said:
ImOuttaControl said:
Saying homosexuality is gross is not depriving anyone of their rights. It is just stating an opinion. The civil rights movement was completely different. Huge difference. Read a history book to see the sort of shit blacks had to deal with...attack dogs, fire hoses, disenfranchisement, tear gas, intimidation, brutality. What a slap in the face to blacks to equate the civil rights movement with a 12 year old saying homosexuality is gross.
LoveTown said:
tell that to my dead cousin. He killed himself cuz he just couldnt tell his family that he was gay. It IS about civil rights. Gay people are mocked, hated and tormented in many parts of this country. AND they don't have the right to get married or have civil union benefits for their partners and in many cases gay couples are not allowed to adopt children. I know gay people who have been turned down for jobs just because they were gay...and I'm talking about jobs like flipping burgers or delivering pizzas. Not the same as the civil right's movement my ass