U2Man said:
People get so touchy about their age when they turn.....uhhhmmm cannot remember .
U2Man said:
People get so touchy about their age when they turn.....uhhhmmm cannot remember .
LemonMacPhisto said:I have an Xbox, and the huge clunky controllers sucked, so I had to get the smaller ones which I love.
I love playing Star Wars games, Halo, war games, Madden, and the NBA Live series
I'm also a Virgo, who enjoys long walks on the beach...
LemonMacPhisto said:I think the Xbox 360 is eerily similar to the Sega Dreamcast
and may suffer the same fate...
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6141161.htmlLemonMacPhisto said:I think the Xbox 360 is eerily similar to the Sega Dreamcast
and may suffer the same fate...
KhanadaRhodes said:
Excellent post, pretty much sums up whats wrong with computer games today.~unforgettableFOXfire~ said:I don't know if I speak for all gamers when I say this... but for the love of all that is good: let me at least get some frickin use out of my console before you make me replace it. I loved my Nintendo, and my Super Nintendo, and my N64 for many, many years once I bought them before new systems came out. Each upgrade wasn't a marginal one, but a shockingly beautiful and impressive one. 8-bit, 16-bit, 32-bit, 64-bit... You went from 2-d side-scrollers, to 3/4 overhead 3rd person, to 1st person 3d, to fully interactive 1st person or 3rd person, etc... that was opening doors... we're not opening doors anymore, cause they're aren't a lot of doors left to open. I'm not going to spend $350 on a new system that I'll only get 2 years of use out of before the jerks try to make me replace it.
What are we getting out of new consoles now? Are the Xbox and the PS2 are not that old and outdated and behind in technology as to necessitate the 360 and the PS2? If you're just going to be rehashing a lot of games anyway, why would I buy a new system to play something I already am? Making a sequel or something for a game doesn't necessitate a new system to accompany it as far as I'm concerned; I think you only saturate the market and devalue the consoles themselves by only making them very slight improvements on the old one. That's where we're at, I think. We're at the stage where we're making marginal improvements in graphics, without sufficiently improving any other aspects (online gameplay, maybe, except people have been doing that with pcs for years, I don't 'need' a console for that).
Who cares if the new box can more realistically render fog effects or improved physics engine for more realistic blood splatter? Make a game worth playing. That's more important to me than fog-effects or realistically rendered shadow. I had no problem with 'shadows' being a small dark circle on the ground underneath the character just to indicate lighting in the environment... I don't really need to spend $350 so you can give me slightly better reflections and somewhat more realistic lighting effects.
Gaming hasn't ever really been about visual realism anyway, gaming is about the experience and, dare I say, knowing departures from reality. Mario wasn't great because he was a plumber seeking his princess (although the simple premise is usually superior to overly complex and contrite ones). Mario was great because of the pits of oblivion, and the hammer throwing turtles in armor, fire-breathing lizards, people who are partly mushroom, and being able to smash bricks with your face.
I posted a few days ago about Medal of Honor. If given the choice to kill Nazis in Medal of Honor or in Castle Wolfenstein, my choice is Wolfenstein. I mean, come on: Cyborg Hitler, people. Cyborg. Hitler. What isn't great about that? The gamer knows they aren't killing the real Hitler anyway. Besides, who wants to shoot some regular old tired dude twice to beat the game when they can spend 10 minutes battling it out against a mechanically enhanced furher who will crush humanity with his zombie supermen if you don't make his chest explode with your gatling gun?
Gamers know that what they're doing isn't real. I prefer to play a game that's engaging, not necessarily fluffy and nice to look at. Nice to look at doesn't hurt, but if you give me improved graphics without improved gameplay, you're wasting both my time and yours. Less 'realistic wave effects and cloud reflections' on my virtual water, and more decent plots and premises. The experience (for me, anyway) lies in playability, and not in appearance.
A lot of good points made there about why the industry is so poor, they are mostly made to appeal to the mindless violence loving teenage masses and not the gamer searching for high standards of playability in their games.catlhere said:Smart choice to stick with your SNES and Playstation and N64.
I think the big problem today is that alot of what we older gamers (not even really that old) grew up on, relied more on the actual gameplay to attract fans, and thus the game industry grew when new, innovative games came out. Developers had to work with shitty graphics and therefore needed to focus on the gameplay even more so. So we got games that may have looked terrible, but it had no effect because we just loved to play them so damn much. It was about the GAMES not the glitz and glam. Video Games have lost that today, but why, is still kinda up in the air.
It could be that now and days, things are geared towards the youth obviously. I really don't think 30 year olds are buying 50 Cent Bulletproof, ya know? It's all about finding what the "kids" these days like, and what they like is the most crude violent and simplistic games ever created. They (developers) know that what sells, is what the kids know they shouldn't be playing or look cool playing, so out come 90% of video games today being about either A) Generic Sports Title B) Generic Racing Game with lots of crashes C) War game D)Shoot em up. That's it. Yes, you still get really unique titles that should be praised to hell and back (Katamari Damacy is cooky, Okami is looking good, Pikmin is underrated) But by in large, the games that get the most publicity are the same things. Look at some of the games that were pushed the most, and sold the most this last generation and see if you can spot a trend: Halo, GTA, God Of War. What do they have in common. Oh yeah, a typical "badass" character that all teenagers think are cool, goes around killing things with guns and swords, etc.
That's what is flying off the shelves and companies know this. Does this mean, they aren't good games? No, of course not. Some of the typical games now and days actually get pulled off very well. The problem is though, how much is too much of the "popular" genre. Do we really think that a game with a hidden sex mini game is benificial to the industry (hot coffee) Do we really need Dead Or Alive Beach VolleyBall. Do we need to have a game like manhunt's and true crime's, which have no point except to basically be a cool bloody and gore-filled action fest? Well obviously casual gamers today feel they do, because those titles rake in the dough.
But I don't think it would have to be this way, if companies would put forth the initiative to advertise something else. They just want to go with the sure fire million seller, so we'll continue to get Madden 2020 with no changes except beter graphics. We'll get Generic WWII Shooter #12 where you have to stop the Nazis on Normandy. Because that's what they push. If companies advertised alot of different styles, I'm positive those would sell. Did a game like Phoenix Wright get alot of press? No of course not, which is why it wasn't popular. It was an incredibly unique and well put together game, but... it was a game about being a Lawyer, solving trials. Would a company believe a game like that appeals to the masses, no. which is why it will sit on the shelves, and yet another copy of SpiderMan 2 will be sold.
I don't want to offend anyone who may enjoy the Xbox/Microsoft combo the most, but I really think they are what's wrong with todays industry. I mean for God sakes, they debuted the system on an MTV show. That's the audience their after. They want to be "cool" and "urban." They know nothing about what is good for the gaming industry, only what to do to sell and make money. I would go as far as to say the only thing good that Microsoft has contributed to this generation in gaming is a very well made Online experience (Xbox Live), which should be looked at for reference in the future. But other than that, I really hope the 360 fails because I can't stand that the gaming community is going to become the PC community with minor upgrades every 2 years, and nothing innovative or new to show for it and every console being bundled with Mariah's new album.
Sony and Nintendo I still think have faith in progress. In moving games forward. I think there's really good titles coming out for each company. I also think that Nintendo is doing the right thing choosing to take a chance on such a shocking controller and method of playing games. It's very hard to make new trends in the industry (Virtual Boy=Flop) but Nintendo seems to be able to make huge leaps for gamers. Rumble features, shoulder buttons, light guns, analogue sticks. Some of it has been invented before by other companies, but Nintendo made each a standard and perfected them, and if anyone can push games out of a stagnant state, its N. The only problem is that N relies too much on their niche fanbase. They don't get their name out enough anymore. I'm happy with what they have done with the DS though and their WiFi Connection, I think it's a good step forward. It's getting the word out that hey, Nintendo may not have #1 spot in the world, but they are GAINING market share. their handheld thats been out for over a year is actulaly outselling the debut of the Xbox360 (fact, one week DS even went to almost 500k, looking to break 1 million sales in a month) so this is a great sign that Nintendo is on its way back to prosperity.
Hopefully the gaming world will start trying to be unique again. I feel they have lost alot of what made them great, and thats sad. But I don't think I will lose faith. there's still alot of life left in the industry, and this next generation will be spectacular.
is it bad that i own this?catlhere said:Do we really need Dead Or Alive Beach VolleyBall.
Let me just pull this pillow over my lap...LemonMacPhisto said:We don't NEED Dead or Alive Volleyball
but it would be fun to have
Canadiens1160 said:Let me just pull this pillow over my lap...
KhanadaRhodes said:
i might get an xbox 360 only because i don't have an xbox anymore, but not until the price drops
yep, exactly. i've got my xbox games so you'd think it'd make more sense for me to get an xbox, right? i mean, now that the xbox 360 is out, they're going to be really cheap. i can get a used one still under warranty so if something breaks, i'm okay.TheQuiet1 said:That's really my problem with this whole industry- by the time a console drops to anything approaching a reasonable price it becomes obsolete by the next gen console and within a year the games for it are become increasingly hard to find.
emulatorsCanadiens1160 said:I've recently discovered the wonderful of emulators. Been geeking out on old SNES games like NHL 94, Super Mario All-Stars, and Star Fox all week.
daafish said:Here's a little video I found on another website. I heard it was rather old but still interesting to watch. Super Mario 64 completed in 16 minutes? Real or fake?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6493722340610946105
how could i have missed this before! thanks!catlhere said:Emulators ARE incredibly
Someone posted a Mario one.
Here's one for all you Legend Of Zelda
They have a forum and FAQ if anyone has trouble playing the games.
HAVE FUN!
http://www.zeldaclassic.com/
god, tell me about it. i knew how to get all the warp whistles and i always did but my god...world 8 made me cry back in the day i think finally at one point i did manage to beat that game as a kid. i know a couple years ago when i hooked up my nintendo i beat mario 1 and 3 (come to think of it, i don't know if i ever did get mario 2 - i got it for my gba and i thought it kinda sucked) but world 8 on mario 3 was just as hard as i remembered it being.RavenBlue said:I can't imagine getting through Mario 3 in 11 minutes. If you used the warp whistles.. I can see you getting to World eight probably in half an hour. But then you won't have many items.. and as we all know. World 8 in Mario 3 is.. very, very hard!
i remember it was kinda difficult to make it past all the umm...stuff bowser was throwing (it's been a while since i've played. i forget what he throws in 8-4. fire? those spikey things?) but if you can navigate it past it and either jump over bowser when he's on the ground or run under him when he jumps (this was always my strategy at least, hehe) then you winRavenBlue said:Now for an embarassing fact, I've never beat Mario 1.
ooh, i seecatlhere said:1, Bowser throws hammers if i remember correctly.
2. I beat mario 1, and i agree that its most likely the hardest one of the bunch. mario 2 is pretty difficult at times, but the warps help alot.