anitram said:
As if she'd subject herself to the horrors of the librul Ivy league!
Cow went to Michigan.
Irvine511 said:
i really do believe she's some sort of performance artist, a drag queen impersonating a fascist.
maycocksean said:
To promote such hateful, hurtful ideas and not even have the integrity to actually believe it is beyond the pale.
maycocksean said:Personally, I found his article thought provoking to a degree, but in the end, I feel that people who aren't doing anything to help the poor don't have a leg to stand on critcizing those who are. If he were running his OWN charity for the "poorest of the poor" and doing it the "right" way I think I'd really give what he had to say a serious hearing.
nbcrusader said:
After 90 some responses, no one has talked about the 9/11 widows referenced in the article (this omission was tagged a red herring, but I think we see the reality here). Is there loss really any different than the familys of anyone else murdered on 9/11/01 - or the days before or after?
Confederate Yankee takes Coulter’s message – that grief does not bestow absolute moral authority – without mentioning her brutalization of the widows.
His point is well taken but he seems to be able to make an even stronger case than Coulter without resorting to the degradation of grief stricken widows.
nbcrusader said:
After 90 some responses, no one has talked about the 9/11 widows referenced in the article (this omission was tagged a red herring, but I think we see the reality here). Is there loss really any different than the familys of anyone else murdered on 9/11/01 - or the days before or after?
kellyahern said:
I don't think the issue is Coulter criticizing the polices of the 9/11 widows, but they way she has done so - in a cruel and personal way.
maycocksean said:
Personally, I found his article thought provoking to a degree, but in the end, I feel that people who aren't doing anything to help the poor don't have a leg to stand on critcizing those who are. If he were running his OWN charity for the "poorest of the poor" and doing it the "right" way I think I'd really give what he had to say a serious hearing.
Irvine511 said:
i think Hitchens would argue that the arguments he puts forward in his writings do just as much good through stimulating debate and influencing policy -- one example: he is a former Trotskyite who used to write for The Nation who is now considered a neo-con because he supported the invasion of Iraq. he felt that the overthrow of Islamofascism is the biggest moral struggle of our lifetimes (he's a staunch atheist and has contempt for most expressions of religion), and while he has criticized the Bush administration for messing up the post war, he remains steadfast in his judgement that Bush got the big things right -- that we engage the Arab World, overthrow their regimes, and install democracies.
many pointed to Hitchens, the former Leftist, and his support for the war (along with HRC, Tom Friedman, The Economist and others) as part of what eventually swung popular American opinion in favor of invasion in late 2002/early 2003.
Hitchens would argue that, as a writer, this is how he effects change and that 25 million Iraqis have been liberated from the tyranny of Saddam Hussein, and i think he would argue that this has done more good than whatever Mother Teresa has done.
and he's dead right about the sheer idiocy of the Catholic Church's stance on birth control.
Irvine511 said:i really do believe she's some sort of performance artist, a drag queen impersonating a fascist.
Golightly Grrl said:Like Paris Hilton, Ann Coulter is nothing more than a toilet plunger in a blonde wig
redsox04 said:Professor Ward Churchill has made equally inflammatory remarks about the 9/11 victims, but because his position is more from the left, the reaction to his statements has not been so severe.
Irvine511 said:
he was vilified by the right, appeared on many talk shows to defend his comments, and had nothing else to say, and then faded into the woodwork.
MrsSpringsteen said:Leno sucks , I'd love to see Letterman wipe the floor w/ Coulter
Lila64 said:
I watched the whole Coulter "appearance", in horror. The crowd was applauding her & whooping it up, that's for sure. I was shocked as well. I was waiting for some boos or something.
redsox04 said:Few will argue that Coulter's approach and wording are horrifying. She knows she is being inflammatory, its her style.
But the point she is making is worthy of discussion. She is not talking about ALL of the 9/11 widows, just a group of four that have been extremely vocal in their opposition to everything the Bush administration does. Coulter is basically saying that she believes these women, like Cindy Sheehan, are being paraded around by left-wing organizations, knowing it is difficult to take issue with those who have been so directly impacted by a tragedy.
Of course, she chose such imflammatory language that her central point is lost.
medmo said:
That wasn't Jay Leno's normal audience. There was a large group of her fans there to "overwhelm" anyone who heckled her. I was shocked when I heard the cheering, too, but I figured there must have been a reason.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1649624/posts
U2DMfan said:
I agree with this.
She had a point, a decent point and it got lost in an uproar, a pop culture uproar, that's about all it amounts to. If Ward Churchill were on Leno and Letterman and the Today Show etc. trying to sell a book on these views he might have had a little more "trouble" but in the end he's just a fool, and I think people knew what he was all about.
The thing about Ann Coulter is, I've always hated her schtick, I think it's lowest common denominator, 'Crossfire' like stuff that just pollutes the entire political discourse. People should be taking issue with literally every single news show, including these entertainment shows giving her airtime because they are using her inflammatory remarks to get viewership as well.
I detest the woman in general but she did say one pretty interesting thing on Leno the other night. She said (paraphrased) "I'm calling them Godless, apparently nobody has a problem with that" speaking of liberals. Well, I'd argue that it's because most of the subjects of her bile tune her out, but it does speak to the overall topic of what is wrong with our discourse.
We'll take the most over-the-top supposedly offensive statements and issues and parade them all around our little political/social version of pop culture and then get alarmed for the moment until something else comes along. It's nothing but schoolyard bullshit on steroids, people living vicariously through celebrities and the downtrodden, news cycles with ADD, and a politcal discourse that we ALL should be fucking ashamed of.
Good ideas take a back seat to controversy to make $$.
Hardcore news is left on the scroll at the bottom of the screen so we can find out about the latest bullshit from Aruba. Ann Coulter doesn't have any ideas, she has a gimmick and for this she's just as useless as the people she berates. Nobody calls her out on her methods, they just talk about the sound-bite, because that's about the attention span of the people who really give a shit.