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Even though Chevy has a mile-long list of reasons why he's a jerk, I have to say that Dan Harmon is coming across like a jerk in this, too.
 
Oh, absolutely. I heard the thing about him ragging on Chevy at the wrap party-not a classy thing to do by any stretch.

They both need to grow up. I don't want one of my favorite shows being ruined because a couple guys can't get over themselves and their petty squabbles.
 
Moonlit_Angel said:
They both need to grow up. I don't want one of my favorite shows being ruined because a couple guys can't get over themselves and their petty squabbles.
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this.

as it's been said, chevy needs to make certain he's sure he wants to potentially throw away his only successful thing in 20+ years. the show didn't drastically change formats so he just comes off as whiny and biting the hand that feeds him. and dan ragging on him at a wrap party and playing the voicemail for people is immature at best.
 
We were at Harmontown. Dan didn't play any voicemail but he did read the incohesive text messages that Chevy sent. At the wrap party, apparently Chevy didn't get a joke and walked off the set. That was it, at least from what Dan said.
 
Dan Harmon came off as a jerk at the PaleyFest panel but he's the boss and it's his show. How many of us have worked for jerks? Do we get to storm off? Do we get to cry to the media about how unfairly we're being treated? No, we have to suck it up. Honestly, how much drudgery is this for Chevy Chase, even if Dan Harmon is the worst person in the world to work for (which I doubt he is)? He works like eight months out of the year. He needs to grow up.
 
There's a boss who's a jerky boss, and then there's a boss who leads a crowd in a chant of "fuck you, employee!"

I mean, come on. Take the fricking high road. Everyone already knows Chevy's a jerk, you don't have to do something like that just to prove it further.

Why don't they just fire him? No one apparently likes him, he doesn't want to be there ... so ..... ?
 
From Harmon's tumblr

I’m really not supposed to be commenting on the situation, which I think is great advice, because anything I say will extend the story’s life and cause more fans discomfort. But as a guy who blogs or tweets every time he wipes his butt, hugs his cat or hurts his girlfriend, it’s conspicuously weird of me to say nothing at all about the giant fart with my name on it that you’ve been inhaling. It feels dishonest not to acknowledge it, it feels rude to the caring fans of the show, people who are tweeting me their concerns that I’ve jeopardized something they fight to protect, those are the sentiments that are [rightfully] the most painful because every choice I make, I try to make for the good of the show, and the show is not an expression of my ego or entitlement, it’s an expression of my desire to make strangers happy. When that’s not happening, when I’ve done something that hurts an audience, it’s always an accident. So I have to just acknowledge my mistake and apologize for it to the fans. Even the people that hate the show that are tweeting heckles at me are right, I’m a selfish baby and a rude asshole and not a person to trust with your feelings.
But the people that I really want to apologize to are the fans of the show. If you want to know what’s on my mind that I consider worth the attention of five million people, that’s the place to look, Thursdays at 8 on TV. Those are the stories and the jokes and observations about life and personal confessions that I intend for that large a venue. There is also a monthly show I do in the back of a comic book store in Los Angeles in which I say things that I intend for 150 people to hear. I tell stories about what an unlovable asshole I am and the trouble it causes for me. I rant and rave about the world’s failure to meet my standards, I talk about being drunk and stupid and heartbroken and childish and crazy and self-obsessed and self loathing and how much I love myself for it. The people that show up are paying ten dollars to listen to it, if you can believe that, and they made the drive out and put that cash on the barrel because they love or hate me but are fascinated by how much I fascinate myself - or their boyfriend made them go.
It was in that venue, months ago, that I made the horrible, childish, self-obsessed, unaware, naive and unprofessional decision to play someone’s voicemail to me. He didn’t intend for 150 people to listen and giggle at it, and I didn’t intend for millions of people to read angry reports about it. I was doing what I always do, and always get in trouble for doing, and always pay a steep price for doing. I was thinking about myself and I was thinking about making people laugh. I was airing my dirty laundry for a chuckle. I ask people at those shows repeatedly to please think twice about youtubing clips of it because it doesn’t play well outside the back of a comic book store. I always accept the risk that a well-intending fan will upload clips and something scandalous will break wide, but the giant mistake I made was involving someone else in that game of russian roulette, someone that didn’t have an opportunity to say “yeah, hilarious, let’s do this.” That was a dumb, unclassy, inconsiderate move on my part. I’m very sorry it’s reflecting poorly on the show.
It’s important to me that you not mistake this for someone thinking they’re making it better, or explaining that they’re actually a swell person. I’m explaining that you’re right, I’m a bonehead, and it sucks, it blows up in my face on a regular basis. I put an unhealthy amount of stock in the opinions of strangers, that’s exactly what makes me do stupid things, and, poetically, that’s what makes the punishment so effective. Thirty people a day calling me an asshole makes me know and feel, in my heart, that I am an asshole. I’m a real “customer is always right” kind of guy in that regard.
So, when you see me not talking about this, it’s not because I’m trying to get away with something, it’s because the more I say, the worse it gets. This is a topic that is driving ad sale revenue for a week but causing my favorite people in the world - Community fans - distress. So my desire, like yours, is to wait for it to pass. And don’t worry about the show. I agree with you that the show is what’s important. It’s why I get mad when I get mad. It’s why I’m happy when I’m happy. I will always do everything I can to make sure we get our six seasons and a move. I’m just really sorry that I’m so damn bad at that job in so many specific ways, and I promise you that every time I screw up at it, I try to get better.
Now I’ve got finish editing episode 319, and get politely scolded for commenting on the situation. If you’re reading this and you work in PR, I know, I know, I’m sorry and I’m not going to say any more.
And when have I ever let you guys down, right?
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Can we talk about how surprisingly epic NBC's previews for tomorrow's episode have been? When I realized the pillow fight was the 'war' they talked about replacing paintball I was pretty let down, but damn this episode looks like something new. I don't know if it's the way the episode is, but the preview is cut like a crowdsourced reporting from the scenes of a revolution, and that'd be a real stylish thing to do especially since this season has been lacking in style episodes because of the budget and the desire to be slightly 'less weird'.

"To those that say it was just a pillow fight, I saw: You. Weren't. There."
 
I haven't seen any commercials for that episode yet here. But then again, I haven't watched a lot of NBC outside of "Community".

But I'll keep an eye out and see if I can catch one-the way you describe it sounds very cool, indeed. I'm excited to see how this second part plays out.
 
Man, this show has been fantastic since it returned from hiatus.

Re: the whole Harmon/Chevy thing. It's ugly, and I wish it wouldn't have happened, but what are you gonna do? I'm glad that Harmon publicly apologized, and hopefully they can kiss and make up, because I don't want Chevy going anywhere. Pierce has been one of the very best things about this show since day one.

It's interesting. And also a bit of the whole "life imitating art" cliche:

From the beginning, a large amount of the plots on this show have focused on someone in the group being a total asshole and ruining the fun only to have it come around to conclude with a moment of redemption and everything is forgiven and the group is back together and everyone's happy.

Except now, instead of Dan Harmon writing a plot where Pierce is the "villain" in need of redemption, the tables have turned and Harmon himself has been cast as the asshole who needs to save face, and Chevy (Pierce) is the innocent victim. And hopefully this real life "plot" ends with everyone back together and happy and forgiven and the show as a whole can move on and give us another brilliant season. Or three more seasons and a movie.

Life imitating art imitating life. It's all so meta, you guys.

I don't know, it's just that the show has always perpetuated such a close-knit, fun, communal vibe...and it's sad when something from REAL LIFE disrupts the idealized image I have in my head of all the writers and producers and actors holding hands and skipping around and laughing and playing on a magic trampoline or something. Why can't real life be as fun and easy as a TV comedy show?

I've maybe smoked too much weed tonight.
 
GirlsAloudFan said:
and it's sad when something from REAL LIFE disrupts the idealized image I have in my head of all the writers and producers and actors holding hands and skipping around and laughing and playing on a magic trampoline or something. Why can't real life be as fun and easy as a TV comedy show?
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This. Especially since, for the most part, you seem to be right-it does seem the cast overall gets on fine and has fun together, and the rest of the cast seem to be really cool and nice and down to earth and all that good stuff, and the show's had a really good relationship with its fanbase, the love goes both ways, it seems. So this little wrinkle is upsetting. But like you said, it happens, and many other shows have managed to survive just fine despite some people not getting along on set, so I don't see why this should hurt "Community", either.

Be it under the influence of pot or not, your whole post deserves a :up:.

Joel made a lightheartedly joking mention of the whole Chevy/Dan thing on "The Soup" tonight, actually :).
 
Pierce's costume made me think of the Stay-Puff marshmallow man :lol:!

This episode was ALL kinds of awesome :D. Britta's picture taking, um, skills, the sidebar snarky comments from the narrator about things that confused him or whatnot, the very ending with Troy and Abed taking calls as well as the explanation of the beyond confusing "north wall" (those bits had me dying).

And the bit with Jeff, Troy, Abed, and the hats at the end of the war. Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...:cute: :heart:. That was really, really sweet.

Much love for this one. Oh, yes.
 
Stay-Puft meets Michelin Man.

Britta's photography

Annie's "humanitarian work" running lint brushes over students

The texting

The end of the war

The telethon

Everything involving Shirley.

This was a blast, disappointed we didn't get more of the Greendale community, & the approach was a clear yet creative cost-cutting measure, but hey it's only 20 odd minutes, you can't do everything.
 
Also you gotta love how much Britta contributed to this episode, with no dialog.

& people, vote for Community on Hulu's best show poll, it's down to the final against The Walking Dead. Things like this might be dumb, but it's another feather in the show's cap that'd show the ratings don't really reflect the level of fandom/popularity:

Hulu - Best in Show 2012
 
I love how the whole situation was really just a figurative way for letting a best friend fight play out, you know in the end you're handling things childishly but there's that period of time where you just have to keep fighting because 1. you're too prideful to let it go or open up about what started it in the first place & 2. (as demonstrated in this final scene) You don't want to stop being with the person and this is all you think you have left together. And a lot of the time it really does take a mutual friend to come in and shake you out of it. That was actually quite touching and relatable for me actually.

Of course it gets a little meta-ish that the 'figurative way for letting a best friend fight play out' is also the literal way these two characters would deal with exactly the kind of situation I just outlined.
 
Oh & you can vote as much as you want in that poll, and stupid as it is I guess it's gotten the winner widely seen press releases in the past, so for a show that needs momentum and more love than it has from the world at large, it'd only be a good thing.
 
Cool, thanks for the tip :). Would certainly love for this show to get more press of that sort.

powerhour24 said:
I love how the whole situation was really just a figurative way for letting a best friend fight play out, you know in the end you're handling things childishly but there's that period of time where you just have to keep fighting because 1. you're too prideful to let it go or open up about what started it in the first place & 2. (as demonstrated in this final scene) You don't want to stop being with the person and this is all you think you have left together. And a lot of the time it really does take a mutual friend to come in and shake you out of it. That was actually quite touching and relatable for me actually.
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Agreed.

I just said this elsewhere, but I've seen some people comment here and there about how it's hard for them to care about the characters on this show and what happens to them. Scenes like that one between Jeff, Troy, and Abed at the end of this show, or the scene at the end of the "Remedial" episode where everyone's dancing and singing to "Roxanne", or Shirley in the first season finally letting out her anger at what her husband had done to her, or whatever, would be evidence to the contrary, I think. I love all these guys and do care about the crazy stuff that goes on in their lives. The characters are the biggest reason I stick around with any show, and that qualifies here.

I remember there being talk of an episode coming up where Britta and Annie bond a bit and talk about all sorts of things, I'm really looking forward to that one, too. Get the female side of the friendship thing.
 
Word. I love shows like Arrested Development & 30 Rock, but it's this & Scrubs that get me because of the characters and how their development and interaction matters above all. The only way you could say character doesn't matter is if you're not a regular watcher. Some of the more profound things that happen with these characters isn't telegraphed to the audience that hasn't been following the minutia of their personalities and interactions of late.

Also this episode made me rethink my feelings towards Jeff this season. I'd been thinking the writers kind of let him slip back into his pilot episode self too much this season, but when you think about it there's a lot of him admitting that he's going through a lot and trying to work through it and a lot of the "Jeff's a selfish jerk" moments could kind of be his attempts at still seeming nonchalant and aloof.
 
powerhour24 said:
Word. I love shows like Arrested Development & 30 Rock, but it's this & Scrubs that get me because of the characters and how their development and interaction matters above all. The only way you could say character doesn't matter is if you're not a regular watcher. Some of the more profound things that happen with these characters isn't telegraphed to the audience that hasn't been following the minutia of their personalities and interactions of late.
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Precisely. For all the "cool" surrounding this show, its pop-culture, meta/clever/winking attitude and such, they're also willing to do simple and sentimental and touching as well.

powerhour24 said:
Also this episode made me rethink my feelings towards Jeff this season. I'd been thinking the writers kind of let him slip back into his pilot episode self too much this season, but when you think about it there's a lot of him admitting that he's going through a lot and trying to work through it and a lot of the "Jeff's a selfish jerk" moments could kind of be his attempts at still seeming nonchalant and aloof.
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Oh, yeah, he's just trying to keep up his cool veneer, but it's obvious that that's much flimsier now than it used to be. I've no question he's come to care about and love the others. Heck, it's noticeable outside the group, too-spending the day with Dean Pelton, for instance, in the episode from some time back. Sure, Pelton kinda had him over a barrel, which was why he originally agreed to hang out with him, but early days Jeff would've still found some reason to try and slip away at some point or manipulate the dean into keeping secret his skipping the move thing or something. Not go out and karaoke with the guy. And when people call him out on his crap now, it clearly bugs him a lot more now than it might have at one time (i.e., the look on his face after Annie insulted him and stormed off during their little argument tonight).

And on that note, I love that it's often Britta and Annie who can cut Jeff's BS down quite a bit in particular. The rest of the gang just kinda brush it off or laugh about it or whatever, and Shirley's kinda got the motherly thing going on with Jeff, but Britta and Annie's arguments with him are always particularly entertaining.
 
I think this will go down as another one of those episodes that everyone frothed over that I didn't love quite as much, but I still really enjoyed it. 20 minutes just wasn't long enough.
 
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