Irvine511
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MrsSpringsteen said:Honestly sometimes during the moment of silence, I used to think about the boys in school that I liked
hmmmmmmm ... me too.
MrsSpringsteen said:Honestly sometimes during the moment of silence, I used to think about the boys in school that I liked
Irvine511 said:
God is different from Jesus.
God is highly universal; Jesus is the heart of Christianity.
Separation of Church and State is why you don't see "Praise Jesus" on our dollar bills.
Irvine511 said:
however, contingent upon that, since we are all created equal by God -- meaning Jews, Muslims, Chrstians, and Hindus -- we cannot force our specific interpretations and beliefs about God upon others. we universally acknoweldge his existence as a nation,
cardosino said:
The Ten Commandments were from God, Jesus was the son of God, and God is in thepledge of allegiance. All issues which the anti-Religion-any-public-place lobby has latched onto.
No, we don't. That's why there are anti-Ten-commandment movements, that's why lawsuits have been filed to try and outlaw the saying of the pledge of allegiance. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy since i don't see any movement out there destroying their dollar bills in disgust, or filing lawsuits saying we should be changing the layotu of our currency, I guess the strong feelings these people supposedly have don't quite extend to their pocketbooks.
Irvine511 said:
look at your first statement -- *only* Christians believe Jesus was the son of God. but all faiths believe in God.
Irvine511 said:
God was also put in the pledge of allegiance in the 1950s in order to separate us from the "godless" communists. that phrase is a relic of the cold war. most people don't object much to the word God,
Irvine511 said:
but they do object to your extentions of what the word "God" entails, which is Jesus.
Irvine511 said:
the 10 commandments do come from a specific Judeo-Christian notion of God. it is impossible to discount their historical importance, but we don't legislate based upon their specific wording.
Irvine511 said:
besides, our notes of legal tender are *ugly*.
Irvine511 said:you're missing the forest for the trees.
Irvine511 said:
nowhere does Jesus come into the American constitution, pledge of allegiance, etc.
Irvine511 said:
yes, the word "God" does, and it does have it's root in the Judeo-Christian God, but it doesn't seem to be too exclusive -- "all men are endowed by their creator." even the word "Creator" is vastly inclusive.
Irvine511 said:
according to your logic, since it doesn't say women, and these were all men, then the delcaration of independence only applies to men.
Irvine511 said:
the extention: you, yourself, made the extention: "The Ten Commandments were from God, Jesus was the son of God, and God is in thepledge of allegiance." it's this extention that with God comes Jesus that people object to, mostly.
Irvine511 said:your money analogy makes no sense whatsoever.
you seem to think that people challenge the inclusion of the word "God" to everything *but* money because then we'd have to throw all our money away. uh, they couldn't just print new notes w/out "in god we trust."
the rest of your post is unrespondable.
stammer476 said:
Please tell me this is a joke. The early Christians had to write the fish in the sand for fear that they would be killed. Now THAT statement is truly offensive. Instrumental music is not.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Do you really think God is going to look back and say well you know what you ignored your brothers in Africa that were dying left and right, you ignored the homeless under the bridge next to your house, and you didn't care if the elderly couldn't afford their medication, but you know what that's OK because you put up a big fight in getting your child be able to sing Christmas carols in school and you made sure those homosexuals couldn't marry. Good for you.
BonoVoxSupastar said:All I'm saying is it's very easy to be Christian in this country, almost fashionable, some people wear the fish, or wear the cross yet have nothing to show for it inside. It's so easy that instead of pushing for truly Christian movements like saving the poor, the sick, and elderly they whine about homosexuals getting married or that their child can't sing a song in school. In this country we say we have freedom of religion yet it's still very difficult to be Muslim in this country, trust me, I have many friends who are and they tell me how hard it is all the time. Yet they have some of the strongest faiths I know.
All I was saying is that if Christianity hadn't turned into such a commercialized religion then maybe we'd go back to fighting the true fight and not whining about this. At the end of the day this means nothing. It's how you celebrate it in your heart and in your home. School is a place to learn reading writing and arithmetic. Do you really think God is going to look back and say well you know what you ignored your brothers in Africa that were dying left and right, you ignored the homeless under the bridge next to your house, and you didn't care if the elderly couldn't afford their medication, but you know what that's OK because you put up a big fight in getting your child be able to sing Christmas carols in school and you made sure those homosexuals couldn't marry. Good for you.
stammer476 said:
Brilliant, BVS. I need to get you in front of my church with a microphone. I couldn't agree with you more.
And for the record, I did misunderstand you. I took the "let's go back to drawing" statement as saying that the "good old days" were back when Christians were being fed to the lions. My fault.
But this is such a difficult issue. On the one hand, Christianity is about so much more than singing carols. It's about providing hope, peace, and love to those around us, living in the example and spirit of Christ. But at the same time, are Christians supposed to do nothing when the forces of Political Correctedness are becoming so extreme that they want to disallow INSTRUMENTAL music that has a Christian inspiration? Where does this line of thought end?
Speak for yourself, dear. Colonization was in vogue two centuries ago (and more recently in some quarters). U are one of hundreds of millions of people whom benefit from such. It also typically enhanced, if not saved, the place colonized. We have nothing to apologize for on that score! Don't be so apologetic.Irvine511 said:Perhaps we're just overcorrecting from centuries of too much Western pride (i.e., colonialization). We've several things to apologize for.