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Its Not Guns N Roses, its Axl "Washed Out" Rose. Rant Time!
Axl Rose, I am sorry, but you ruined guns n roses. First you push all your former band members who were the heart and soul of the band to the edge, forcing them to quit because of your abusive dictatorship. You then put the "band" in a totally different musical direction, but not in a good way. You took little retards from nine inch nails, after going through a million and one line up changes. You made your fans wait for 14 years, for a terrible album. This is not Guns N Roses, this is Axl Rose Fea. Nine Inch Nails. Axl, I am sorry to say you have disgraced the name Guns N Roses. Today, all your concerned about is making money, and not the fans. Grow a pair, and make up with Slash. Guns N Roses is not Guns N Roses without your former crew. The album is totally crap, and when you play live and do older songs, it really pisses me off. Axl, you really need to get your head out of your ass. I have nothing more to say.
and yes I actually listened to the whole album. Street of Dreams was the only ok song, but it totally ripped off november rain.
I don't think the comparison to Pink Floyd is a good one, as three of the four members were still in the group - only Waters was gone. Here, you only have one member remaining.
That said, I understand the point you are making.
Well, if you want to get technical, then yes, Wright was a salaried employee, but Mason was a bonafide member still, despite his limited input.
So you had two official members still, with a third co-founder still involved. So no, it's not exactly the same.
I'm liking this album more now. lol.
How many times have you listened to it Zoots?
I'm glad there are some people out there that can appreciate the music for what it is rather than immediately dismiss it because it's not Slash and Co.
If you're an Axl fan, you're gonna love it.
If you're not an Axl fan, you're gonna hate it.
If you're a casual listener with no pre conceived notions, you're gonna love it after a few listens.
About 4 or 5. I mean I still think some tracks are mediocre or boring. But there seems to be a handful of decent songs.
Guns N' Roses lawyer Alan S. Gutman has lashed out at the Dr Pepper Snapple Group, claiming in a letter to the company that the soda makers failed to make good on a promise and "violated" Guns N' Roses' rights in "numerous respects."
In the letter, obtained by The Times, Gutman writes that W. Axl Rose and Guns N' Roses are "outraged at the treatment of their fans and the American public in general." Earlier this year, Dr Pepper officials teased that they would give everyone in the country a free soda if the band's album “Chinese Democracy” arrived before the year was out. Gutman writes that the promotion was "clumsily implemented " and an "unmitigated disaster."
After the release of "Chinese Democracy" was officially announced this fall, Tony Jacobs, Dr Pepper's vice president of marketing, posted at www.chinesedemocracywhen.blogspot.com: “We never thought this day would come. But now that it’s here, all we can say is: The Dr. Pepper’s on us.”
As Pop & Hiss noted Sunday, Dr Pepper's website was flooded with customers, who had 24 hours to fill out a voucher for a free soda on Nov. 23, the day "Chinese Democracy" was released exclusively to Best Buy. Fans who submitted their information to the site would receive a coupon for a free 20-ounce bottle of Dr Pepper. When Dr Pepper's site failed to respond to the traffic, the company extended the offer through Monday.
Writes Gutman, "What happened on November 23 was a complete fiasco. In what could only be characterized as reckless indifference or complete stupidity, Dr Pepper was completely unprepared for the traffic to its site. Most visitors were greeted with error messages. Some people who got through to Dr Pepper's servers were told to call a toll free number, few of whom got through. Many walked away angry as Dr Pepper ... soured the momentous music event that was 'Chinese Democracy's' release."
Gutman is requesting that Dr Pepper "contact us to discuss an appropriate payment to our clients" for the unofficial brand association. Gutman is also requesting the company run a full-page ad in a number of major American newspapers, including the L.A. Times, the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal, apologizing for the way the campaign was run. Finally, Gutman is asking Dr Pepper to expand the redemption window for the free soda offer to "make good on its promise."
A Dr Pepper spokesperson responded with a statement. "For us, this was a fun giveaway that has always been about the fans, and we’ve taken great steps to fulfill it." The company said it extended the giveaway window from 24 to 48 hours, added a toll-free line and set up "an interactive voice recorder to accept coupon requests."
"This was one of the largest responses we have ever received for a giveaway, and we’re happy we were able to satisfy the thirst of so many Dr Pepper fans," read the statement.
When the Dr Pepper promotion was announced in March -- when "Chinese Democracy" had no release date -- Dr Pepper noted that everyone in America, excluding former GNR guitarists Slash and Buckethead -- would be granted a free soda. Soon after, a statement attributed to Rose was posted on the official Guns N' Roses website, and back then, the band seemed game for the marketing ploy.
A screenshot is above, but read the Rose comment, "We are surprised and very happy to have the support of Dr Pepper with our album 'Chinese Democracy,' as for us, this came totally out of the blue. If there is any involvement with this promotion by our record company or others, we are unaware of such at this time. And as some of Buckethead's performances are on our album, I'll share my Dr Pepper with him."
Gutman's letter writes that all contact between GNR's management and Dr Pepper "foundered," and ends with a threat: "Failure to make an acceptable offer may necessitate our client's pursuit of available remedies."
--Todd Martens
if not simply because of the new musical direction.
I just can't see anyone who grew up listening to the old guns n roses and attending their shows could still possibly like the new guns n roses, if not simply because of the new musical direction.
Finally took a listen to this. At least it's not a disaster; some songs aren't too bad. But overall, it's probably not something I would listen to that much. It really is nothing like the older albums.
Appetite For Destruction is one of my favorite albums of all time, but the Use Your Illusion albums are the real Guns N' Roses. Thanks to the huge success of Appetite, Axl and Company were really able to spread their wings production-wise on their next LP and Axl's true vision of rock and roll was realized on a grander scale.
Too bad it wasn't promoted properly or else it would've sold more copies upon its release.
Well said! The Illusion albums are eternal rock classics, in my opinion.
Btw, Chinese Democracy has really grown on me over the last few weeks! Even more so than the last time I posted here. Sorry is the current favorite... especially when it picks up with Axl's scream-singing chorus! I even like Shackler's Revenge and Riad.. now to an extent, 2 tracks that I hated upon first listen. Lots of decent material here worth at least 4 stars out of 5. Still can't get into most of Prostitute though. It gets a lot better in the end.
Huh? I thought it was in the Top 5 for new album sales of that week?