martha
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Angela Harlem said:We cannot think we are making a mistake with our choices because it conflicts with someone else's.
Very well said.
Angela Harlem said:We cannot think we are making a mistake with our choices because it conflicts with someone else's.
paxetaurora said:The problem I had was this: the idea that virginity is somehow "preferable" to the lack of it. I mean, I guess it is, in some ways. But I couldn't contribute to this conversation at all, and I felt rather, well...cheap, despite the fact that my days of one-night stands were pretty limited and that they're long over. I think I don't like, as someone whose virginity is very much a thing of the past, being made to feel "dirty" or "impure" or "not-special" (if that makes any sense). It's wonderful that these women have made promises to themselves, and that they're proud to have upheld them. But should that pride come at the expense of women who haven't made the same decision?
I don't know about any of this. What do you all think about the state of being a never-married non-virgin in these virgin-obsessed times?
OH YEAH YOU KNOW ME!!! in fact i see exactly where i said "every christian, including me!! is a hypocrite." grow up already.garibaldo said:Seriously, I think the point of your stupid church story was to point out just how hypocritical churchgoers can be.
shut up already. you don't even know me.garibaldo said:Get a freaking clue. Liberals have a long history of villifying religious people and it doesn't make you immune to criticism by attending church (what? once a year perhaps).
KhanadaRhodes said:
yep. the youth leader at my old church acted like she was better than everyone (well, in retrospect, everyone there did), and then one time we separated into girl and boy groups and for some reason, we went into the chick's bedroom who was hosting the meeting.
we got on the subject of virginity, and our youth leader, who's not married, never has been married, and has never even come close, admitted she's not a virgin. that was one of the nails in the coffin for that church. i don't have a problem with people having sex before marriage, but to act all high and mighty, and constantly point out how other people can "do better" in their life by tattooing WWJD on their forehead and then admit that, is just fucking hypocritical.
that is all.
Spiral_Staircase said:
A person who does one thing and then says you should do the opposite is someone who's learned from their mistakes.
martha said:Depends on how it's said. If it's preachy and self-righteous, it's not going to help, just piss off. If the insight is given with understanding and compassion, and not in a way that makes the other person feel dirty and bad, then it can be helpful.
nbcrusader said:A lot also depends on how it is received. Some will immediately dismiss any moral standard as judgmental or expect the speaker of the moral standard to be perfect in all regards (or else - the hypocrisy label). Our natural tendency is to love the darkness instead of the light.
Achtung_Bebe said:
I found myself in a situation where a group of people were talking about smoking and how it has ill effects on a person and demonstrates poor discipline. This is another area that I am working on right now, and I found myself trying to justify it in the conversation. The fact of the matter is that I want to quit, and rather than justifying it I should have just acknowledged the fact that it is harmful for you and accepted that I am struggling with it. I think it was me trying to postpone the inevitable.