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stagman said:
Sorry Pax, I won't use that term again... Some groups just seem to have an ignorance to them where they only care for their own.
They don't care about or associate with other types of people.
I think that is very sad. That is a type of racist thing to do.
In Australia the minority groups are'nt quite as out there as say some American groups are from I've seen from afar. Some of em stick togethor and don't complain so much, unfortunately this is often the result of alcohol abuse... they just spend their money on grog and do nothing else.

Some European groups living in Sydney are real serial pests.. They have crime rings all over and start major brawls at the end of Fooball games. They have no concern for other people.

Are you Australian? If so... what the fuck are you talking about?
If not... what the fuck are you talking about?

I've read most of your explosion of posts in FYM over the last 24hrs, and I've never turned to personal attacks in here before, but I am sure you are not right in the head.
 
TylerDurden said:


Are you Australian? If so... what the fuck are you talking about?
If not... what the fuck are you talking about?

I've read most of your explosion of posts in FYM over the last 24hrs, and I've never turned to personal attacks in here before, but I am sure you are not right in the head.

I was going to say the same thing...
 
Please give Stagman a chance to explain where he's coming from, and as usual please refrain from personal attacks.

Thank you.
 
So far Stagman has compared the President of France to Osama Bin Laden, made some extremely dubious remarks about ethnic "minorities" and dismissed anyone who's not a support of President Bush as "stupid".

So yes, it'd be nice if he explained where he's coming from. :)
 
They are not all a spwn of satan. I just thikn some of them go too far./ I know that not all groups are like this. And that minority groups are not the only groups that take things too far. I just think that sometimes they expect more then other people get. I dont think that makes sense. Im not feeling too well right now. But if you guys need clarification I should be able to explain beteer tomorrow when I am feeling well again.
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I think most of you here should watch D.W. Griffith's "Birth of a Nation" (1915). I think the whites in that film didn't like minority groups either. :|

Melon
 
melon said:
I think most of you here should watch D.W. Griffith's "Birth of a Nation" (1915). I think the whites in that film didn't like minority groups either. :|

Melon

With their nice pointy hats. :|



Back to the original idea - the idea of a "Caucasian Club" is more akin to what the travelers from Canada wanted to do - challenge the status quo.
 
nbcrusader said:
With their nice pointy hats. :|

Pointy hats and obviousness aside, much of the rhetoric they use in that film corresponds to rhetoric many use today to justify bigotry. A particular sign that was quite poignant, to me, is where blacks hold up signs that push for "equal rights and equal marriage." When blacks achieve both, Griffith shows the supposed end result--"dumb" blacks ruling in anarchy, using their power to eliminate all white power, and blacks forcing marriage upon beautiful young white women.

"What about white rights"? That's precisely what Griffith asks, but, by all accounts, "Birth of a Nation" is nothing more than "romanticized" historical fiction being passed off as true, and as a "modern" reminder that "separate but equal" (Plessy v. Ferguson, 1892) that established racial segregation was the only way to prevent blacks from usurping power to destroy whites and rape their daughters.

Needless to say, as laughable as this is (and should be), I find that D.W. Griffith is still alive and well, particularly with GOP fearmongering against homosexuals. But I digress...

...to all of us white people here, look around you and count your blessings. You don't *need* white clubs, because white culture surrounds you, even if you don't know it. You don't need a white history month, because everyday focuses on white, Western history. If you had to live one day as a minority, then you'd realize how utterly preposterous this entire thread is, because you don't need to worry about integrating into society. It is already yours and now it is time to share. If these groups help minorities cope with being a minority in society, then great! Count your dominant hegemonic blessings.

Melon
 
nbcrusader said:


Back to the original idea - the idea of a "Caucasian Club" is more akin to what the travelers from Canada wanted to do - challenge the status quo.

You believe whites not to be the status quo here in America? That's interesting.
 
nbcrusader said:


The status quo of racial politics.

Ok, but I'm still not sold on that comparison. They were disrupting the status quo to try and gain rights. This group has all the rights they want.
 
melon said:


Pointy hats and obviousness aside, much of the rhetoric they use in that film corresponds to rhetoric many use today to justify bigotry. A particular sign that was quite poignant, to me, is where blacks hold up signs that push for "equal rights and equal marriage." When blacks achieve both, Griffith shows the supposed end result--"dumb" blacks ruling in anarchy, using their power to eliminate all white power, and blacks forcing marriage upon beautiful young white women.

"What about white rights"? That's precisely what Griffith asks, but, by all accounts, "Birth of a Nation" is nothing more than "romanticized" historical fiction being passed off as true, and as a "modern" reminder that "separate but equal" (Plessy v. Ferguson, 1892) that established racial segregation was the only way to prevent blacks from usurping power to destroy whites and rape their daughters.

Needless to say, as laughable as this is (and should be), I find that D.W. Griffith is still alive and well, particularly with GOP fearmongering against homosexuals. But I digress...

...to all of us white people here, look around you and count your blessings. You don't *need* white clubs, because white culture surrounds you, even if you don't know it. You don't need a white history month, because everyday focuses on white, Western history. If you had to live one day as a minority, then you'd realize how utterly preposterous this entire thread is, because you don't need to worry about integrating into society. It is already yours and now it is time to share. If these groups help minorities cope with being a minority in society, then great! Count your dominant hegemonic blessings.

Melon

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Tyler I dont know what part of Sydney you are from, or what exactly Stagman meant, but there is some truth in some of the things he/she said. I dont see our massive multicultural identity working as well as it could. We have huge divisions amongst groups here and ignorance is a huge factor in the problems that arise from it. Australia is very successful at multiracialism, but an abysmal failure at multiculturalism. The hate that can exist among any given group of people from a particular background is appalling - not just 'white' Australians, but all of us.
With the alcohol comment, I assume that is about Aboriginal Australians. I'd hate to think that people see that as one big comfortable stereotype as it isn't. It is though, a huge problem among a certain group of people from that background. Pointing fingers and laying blame aside for who's fault that is, the problem exists and we cant pretend it doesn't.
The last comment I suspect is about the ethnic groups in particular in Sydney's south west. No doubt there is an element of racial hatred among some.
Problem witrh Sydney is, racial hatred isn't limited to any one group. We're pretty good at hating many people from different backgrounds. Its no more or less a white problem than it is say a Lebanese or Vietnamese problem.
 
The point I'm getting at is that many white people in in Australia and suppose in America are accused of being racist so damn often. Whereas the Black people and people from or ethnic cultures have the idea that they can do no wrong.
They are sometimes as racist as white people.
I wish we could all just get along.

I'm live in a town just near Brisbane if you wish to know.
 
I understand the arguments of stagman and co. to a certain degree, but I agree with melon.

it's dangerous to start slaggin Affrimative Action and getting all up in arms about it. I watced American History X last week and, though it's fictional, it's very real. Almost all the arguments used by the skinheads center around affirmative action.

I'm not saying anyone here is a skinhead, I'm just saying we're on thin ice here and we should thread carefully.

a lot of people were offended last week in a Texas university when the Young Conservatives had a bake sale to protest affrimative action. They sold cookies to white males for the most expensive ($1.00) and solf cookies to black people for 50 cents.

there were a lot of offended people
 
Stagman/Angela:

No, no, I'm not saying Sydney/Australia don't have racial issues, they definitely do. And I'm not saying that Australians can't be racist, definitely can be. And I agree that it's any race vs any race. I think that by far the ugliest side of this country is the racism. Ignorance mixed with a media and government that likes to play to ignorance is a large part of the problem.

I just think that Stagman made a few very generalised, sweeping statements there (and I don't know about any football brawls).

I am a wee bit drunk at the moment, so I'll leave my reply at this for now, save you from hearing a huge and probably hazy rant involving talkback radio, the Daily Telegraph, Pauline Hanson, gang rapes, the stupid things people fall for around election time etc etc etc. I'll come back tomorrow.
 
stagman said:
The point I'm getting at is that many white people in in Australia and suppose in America are accused of being racist so damn often. Whereas the Black people and people from or ethnic cultures have the idea that they can do no wrong.
They are sometimes as racist as white people.
I wish we could all just get along.

I'm live in a town just near Brisbane if you wish to know.

Yes anyone can be a racist. But you should be careful of your sweeping generalizations. I mean "Whereas the Black people and people from or ethnic cultures have the idea that they can do no wrong." Once again let's just throw them all in one pot. This is exactly what is wrong. This is racisim. Judging someone by the color of skin and not their individual merit. When you see a day where the playing field is equal for everyone and there are still minority groups fighting for a cause, then I'll agree that it's wrong, but until then...
 
It could possibly be nothing more than a poorly worded response, considering the statement after that which was "They are sometimes as racist as white people". But I'm sure stagman can clarify for himself.

Tyler, just to refresh your memory for when you reply again lol, the Canterbury Bulldogs? :wink:
 
As I've been trying to say, It's just too easy to assume that white people are racist and that no one else is.
Political Correctness has a lot to answer for too.

That's right, there were some very fanatical supporters of the Bulldogs getting a little hysterical in the last few years.
Go the Doggies, Hope they can knock off those Roosters Tonight! :tongue:
 
well, i can kind of see what you're saying. I remember being in a room with about 150 blacks and whites debating affirmative action. There were alot of blacks disagreeing with whites, whites disagreeing with blacks, blacks disagreeing with blacks, and whites disagreeing with whites. Bigotry based on race is as diverse in opinions as the different shades of skin in this country.
 
elevation2u said:
why don't they just call it the Kaukacian Kulture Klub?

Was this an attempt at humor?

Just curious. Yes...this was my attempt at sarcasm.
 
From the article:

Dreadsox said:


McClelland's ethnic background includes American Indian, Hispanic, Dutch, German, Italian and Irish.
I'll assume that McClelland volunteers this information about her ethnic backround. That being the case, if her Indian, Hispanic, Dutch, German, Italian and Irish heritage are at all significant, perhaps she has no business starting a "Caucasian Club."
 
Once again, as with other discussions about race/ethnicity that have taken place in FYM, if we are unwilling to discuss the issue of balance of power among racial/ethnic groups, then we are not having an honest debate.
 
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