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Originally posted by nintendan:
I don't understand how one can be christian and say that nothing is wrong with homosexuality. Your only fooling yourselves.
Originally posted by Se7en:
i think homosexuality is wrong...*ducks and runs*
Originally posted by melon:
You can think it's wrong, and I won't flame you
Originally posted by melon:
It is my hope that this thread does not turn into another homosexuality debate, but I admire your initiative, and, if fate determines that this does become another embittered and ugly homosexuality debate, I will enter my input as necessary. However, it is my hope that it never gets to that point. It is my hope that people here will practice sufficient restraint.
Originally posted by melon:
A|catura, I only wish you had been here back in November 2000 and February 2001 the last times I fought that battle. An awesome spectacle indeed, but, unfortunately, led to the banning a few overzealous individuals.
Call me mellowed and more restrained, but I'd rather not get into that mess again like I did twice before. It's a complicated religious issue, compounded by several issues of Biblical translation through the centuries, the question of errancy or inerrancy, and also historial and sociological issues. It's surely a mounting task that has no easy way around it.
It is my hope that this thread does not turn into another homosexuality debate, but I admire your initiative, and, if fate determines that this does become another embittered and ugly homosexuality debate, I will enter my input as necessary. However, it is my hope that it never gets to that point. It is my hope that people here will practice sufficient restraint.
Melon
even though I think of this place as one where mods should be very careful before they close / delete threads, we will end threads which end up in insulting people in general and members of this forum in particularOriginally posted by adam's_mistress:
We're not going to always get along. We're not always going to agree. The nature of this forum invites heated debate. But if this thread gets out of hand like it did in November and February I will have lost all hope that many people here can rationally debate in a civil manner.
Originally posted by Salome:
even though I think of this place as one where mods should be very careful before they close / delete threads, we will end threads which end up in insulting people in general and members of this forum in particular
Originally posted by Marko:
One thing that I don't get about hemosexuals is: why are some homosexual men dreesing up and acting a woman so they could attract a gay men? Gay man like men, so why are some of them searching for men that look like women? it's confusing - and this sort of homosexuality is peversion for me - this is certanlly not natural. If you are a gay guy than you should be atracted to a men, and not a woman look a like.
Same goes to lesbians - why do they have masculant pose? Dress like men, have man haircut? Please someone, explain that to me.
I Stand at my point that that kind of homosexualism is totaly twisted and that it has roots in some trauma history or disturbance or something similar... Show me I'm wrong...
Originally posted by adam's_mistress:
Not that any of you would bat an eyelash if I left.
Originally posted by melon:
Aww...I actually thank you for posting. Sometimes this place is incredibly entrenched with the same people making the same arguments, generally scaring away newbies or anyone who is not a regular here.
I must admit that, in first coming here, I was quite shocked at the level of conservatism in this forum, especially since both the politics and religion of U2 are quite liberal in themselves. However, you soon learn that people love U2 for different reasons.
I hope that you still aren't turned off by this forum, and I invite you to continue posting. And if any non-regulars are reading this, I invite you to post as well. That doesn't mean I will always agree with what you write, and do expect that if I do disagree, I will directly and succinctly criticize. It is always my hope that this place can remain civil as a consequence, but some people still lack the effective maturity to handle it in a civil manner, and that is where I find myself the most frustrated in the end.
Luckily, I'm quite pleased at the relative level of civility, but if I do notice it going out of hand, I will not hesitate to demand it's closure myself. Let's say I'm a little more well-connected in this forum than I was the first couple times I fought this debate, and I will no longer be so tolerant of hysteria as I was in the past. I guess I've mellowed more in my old age.
Melon
Originally posted by melon:
Marko, please don't take this the wrong way, but your perceptions of all homosexuals are riddled with stereotypes. Yes, some homosexual men do act effeminate. However, there are many homosexual men who are as straight-acting as you can imagine. But here's the paradox. If they're straight-acting, how would you know that they were gay or not? And you won't, unless you know them personally. Hence, one is then under the illusion that all gay men act like women. Heck, this is even a conflict amongst the gay community itself. Many of the straight-acting gay men don't find it attractive either, and, you may find this to be interesting, but from my experience, the effeminate gays are not the majority of the gay community, but they are the most visible, and the media has been quick to stereotype all gays as being this way.
This goes the same with lesbians. While there are butch lesbians, there are plenty of lesbians who look just the same as straight women. Once again, unless you know them personally, you would just assume they are straight.
I completely disagree with your stereotypical perceptions of homosexuals, and I'm even more saddened by the fact that you think it's "totally twisted" and "has roots in trauma history or disturbance." The American Psychological Association disproved this long ago in the 1970s, concluding that it is unchangable and that most "trauma" actually is caused by an unsupportive and homophobic environment. From my experience working within the GLBT community, this is always the case.
I've pointed out the troubles in genetic sexuality amongst humans, and I've also pointed out it's regular occurrence in nature. In fact, if you don't believe me on the occurrence of homosexuality in nature, rotten.com has a very flippant photo essay on it, including photos of group sex among same-sex animals. If animals are purely the product of genetics, as they are incapable of human emotion, then how is "homosexualism" rooted in "disturbance"? Just because you are personally disgusted by something, it doesn't mean that it's unnatural, nor does it mean that those who are homosexual are disturbed. The "big bad homosexuals" aren't gonna come out and hurt you.
I don't like fundamentalist Christians. That doesn't mean that I think we should suppress them or deny rights to them. Adults should be free to do as they wish, as long as it is consentual and as long as it doesn't infringe upon anyone else's rights. As it stands, the only people getting their rights trampled over in this situation are the homosexuals, and that is not right.
Melon
Not only are there XY females (Jamie Lee Curtis, for instance, is one),
Originally posted by Not George Lucas:
Actually, there is no evidence of this at all.