You guys do know that the one square of TP thing was said in jest, right?
anitram said:
I beg to differ. One square of TP isn't going to make anyone feel good.
Actually the fluorecent bulbs are better, im just waiting until LED spot-lighting gets cheaperINDY500 said:
No surprise really.
Like fluorescent light bulbs, one square of toilet paper, "green Oscars" or "Live Earth" concerts...real results aren't what matter.
No, what's important is that these things make us "feel good" and provide an avenue for remission of past "sins."
Diemen said:You guys do know that the one square of TP thing was said in jest, right?
A_Wanderer said:Actually the fluorecent bulbs are better, im just waiting until LED spot-lighting gets cheaper
INDY500 said:
Like fluorescent light bulbs,
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Do you know what you are talking about?
INDY500 said:
Why?
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Well I'm wondering what your issue with flourescent lights is?
Are you against helping the environment in general?
INDY500 said:
1) They may be an alternative but they can't replace incandescence bulbs. Not yet anyway.
2) They have environmental concerns of their own. Mercury being the primary one.
INDY500 said:
1) They may be an alternative but they can't replace incandescence bulbs. Not yet anyway.
indra said:
They've done a pretty good job of it in my house. And I like it bright.
Actually saving the planet is a shitty argument to convert; the long life span, high brightness and cool things you can do with them (LED setups) are much more attractive.BonoVoxSupastar said:
Well LED will be the way to go, but flourescents are excellent alternatives. And the latest bulbs definately are coming close to being able to replace incandescence.
The mercury used is miniscule and given how much they save is a non-issue.
I get the feeling you think all of this is a joke. That any means to save and protect is a waste. I'm not sure if it's based on misinformation you've been given or that you just don't care, because it won't effect you in your lifetime.
A_Wanderer said:Actually saving the planet is a shitty argument to convert; the long life span, high brightness and cool things you can do with them (LED setups) are much more attractive.
A_Wanderer said:Assaulting the public conciousness with tripe about each one of them being individually responsible for the end of the world just makes people tune out.
A_Wanderer said:
talking about sacrifice and pennance isn't a good way to sell anything.
Religious leaders urge action on warming
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Christian, Jewish and Muslim leaders are urging President George W. Bush and Congress to take action against global warming, declaring that the changing climate is a "moral and spiritual issue."
In an open letter to be published on Tuesday, more than 20 religious groups urged U.S. leaders to limit greenhouse gas emissions and invest in renewable energy sources.
"Global warming is real, it is human-induced and we have the responsibility to act," says the letter, which will run in Roll Call and the Politico, two Capitol Hill newspapers.
"We are mobilizing a religious force that will persuade our legislators to take immediate action to curb greenhouse gases," it says.
The letter is signed by top officials of the National Council of Churches, the Islamic Society of North America and the political arm of the Reform branch of Judaism.
Top officials from several mainline Christian denominations, including the Episcopal Church, United Methodist Church, Presbyterian Church, African Methodist Episcopal Church and Alliance of Baptists also signed the letter, along with leaders of regional organizations and individual churches.
Rev. Joel Hunter, a board member of the National Association of Evangelicals, also signed the letter, though that group has not officially taken a stance on global warming due to opposition from some of its more conservative members.
A_Wanderer said:So coopting religious lobby groups is alright when it fits your agenda?
upabove said:The whole big "green movement" has become a religion in itself. If one doesn't convert, they are persecuted by the green crusade.
This movement is not based on science, it is based on emotions and faulty logic, just like Christianity and all the other religions of the world.
Those who say that there is 100% scientific backing to the claims of Al Gore and those leading the green charge are lying to themselves. There are many, many studies that refute the claims of man's contribution to climate change. All there is is a theory, not proven scientific fact.
But, no one really much cares for facts these days. The feeling of being "right" is enough to convince anyone there is no other perspective.
See, a religion.
upabove said:The whole big "green movement" has become a religion in itself. If one doesn't convert, they are persecuted by the green crusade.
This movement is not based on science, it is based on emotions and faulty logic, just like Christianity and all the other religions of the world.
Those who say that there is 100% scientific backing to the claims of Al Gore and those leading the green charge are lying to themselves. There are many, many studies that refute the claims of man's contribution to climate change. All there is is a theory, not proven scientific fact.
But, no one really much cares for facts these days. The feeling of being "right" is enough to convince anyone there is no other perspective.
See, a religion.