DaveC
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I know that it fits.
yea...you don't have a master's degree in 20th century history.
I know that it fits.
What's happening is that people are starting to bring politics to the places they were not before. For people who have been fucked over by our political and economic system, politics have always been inescapable. And they're finally getting an opportunity, thanks to the proliferation of media outside the previously established structures, to get their voices heard and achieve some level of influence.
It's a wild time, but it's a net positive, because it's forcing people who would otherwise be able to put politics aside to reconcile that for many people, that is not an option. Allowing significant portions of society to be walled off, where politics should be avoided, isn't an option anymore. Because to continue on that way is to ignore all the suffering that is going on.
That may seem melodramatic to bring up in light of the subject matter of this conversation, but it's the broader point that needs to be beaten back against. Bono isn't going to suffer from this, but he is going to have to think. It's not mob mentality. It's trying to educate. He's 57 years old and has been rich for the majority of his life. He spends a lot of his time focused on certain things he's dedicated his life. Some things he's going to miss. Okay. Deal with it, learn from it, move on.
The point is, this isn't PC culture run amok, and it's not something we can roll our eyes at and ignore.
What's happening is that people are starting to bring politics to the places they were not before. For people who have been fucked over by our political and economic system, politics have always been inescapable. And they're finally getting an opportunity, thanks to the proliferation of media outside the previously established structures, to get their voices heard and achieve some level of influence.
It's a wild time, but it's a net positive, because it's forcing people who would otherwise be able to put politics aside to reconcile that for many people, that is not an option. Allowing significant portions of society to be walled off, where politics should be avoided, isn't an option anymore. Because to continue on that way is to ignore all the suffering that is going on.
That may seem melodramatic to bring up in light of the subject matter of this conversation, but it's the broader point that needs to be beaten back against. Bono isn't going to suffer from this, but he is going to have to think. It's not mob mentality. It's trying to educate. He's 57 years old and has been rich for the majority of his life. He spends a lot of his time focused on certain things he's dedicated his life. Some things he's going to miss. Okay. Deal with it, learn from it, move on.
The point is, this isn't PC culture run amok, and it's not something we can roll our eyes at and ignore.
Ah, that's some great moralizing there. You guys even beat out the religious right when it comes to that.
yea...you don't have a master's degree in 20th century history.
More hypocritical moralizing from someone who doesn't practice what he preaches. Take your rote garbage elsewhere.
Educate yourself
As a friend of mine who is a woman of color said to me, "Even if you're not personally guilty of it, you more than likely know people who are. And it's being cognizant of that, and knowing that as uncomfortable as it may be that you need to tell people in your life when they're doing it, that is the real thing you need to understand."Makes sense to me, and hey, I’ll take being completely annoyed by it all of it means that something positive comes out of it.
In what way do I not practice what I preach?More hypocritical moralizing from someone who doesn't practice what he preaches. Take your rote garbage elsewhere.
As a friend of mine who is a woman of color said to me, "Even if you're not personally guilty of it, you more than likely know people who are. And it's being cognizant of that, and knowing that as uncomfortable as it may be that you need to tell people in your life when they're doing it, that is the real thing you need to understand."
It's taken me a while to get to this point. I now see many of the same things I resent about right wingers happening with centrist liberals, albeit in slightly different ways.
This one will be brief. Someone will say something shitty tomorrow and Bono can go back to his shiny new hobby of investing.
As a friend of mine who is a woman of color said to me, "Even if you're not personally guilty of it, you more than likely know people who are. And it's being cognizant of that, and knowing that as uncomfortable as it may be that you need to tell people in your life when they're doing it, that is the real thing you need to understand."
It's taken me a while to get to this point. I now see many of the same things I resent about right wingers happening with centrist liberals, albeit in slightly different ways.
In what way do I not practice what I preach?
Are you talking about having opinions? Because that's called having an opinion. They're not a government body trying to silence free speech. As far as I know, the only instance of that this year was the prosecution of the J20 protestors.It's astonishing that you can't see the problem when the people claiming to be offended and seeking to shut down the speech of others are the same people that get to decide what is offensive and what is not. You are so far down the self-hating, moralizing rabbit hole on this topic that I can't take anything you say seriously.
dude, I get where you are coming from on the over-sensitized PC angle, but quite frankly your calling people fascists is no better then when a bunch of these malcontented jackasses tried to claim that I was an excommunicated former Interference poster and a member of the alt-right, simply because I posted a few opinions they did not like. Those were ridiculous things to say, and whether you realize it or not you're doing the same thing. My sincere advice is that you should quit while you're behind.
I can only judge you based on what you have said in this thread, since I don't know you. I bear you no ill will. I do bear ill will towards many of the things you said. I do not like them, and I think people holding those opinions need to break out of their echo chambers and have the types of conversations we are having.Let me know when you start treating people as people first, rather than just a collection of superficial characteristics first.
There are years and years of prejudice that gets engraved in us.
Which is why Bono deserves to be called up on this one.
I’ve done and said a lot of shit stuff in my time, but like Peef and unlike a certain poisonous fuckwit posting in this thread, I don’t cry bloody murder when I get called out any more - I try and educate myself and be better, like you said Mikal, so that we can all live in a society where EVERYONE feels comfortable and valued.
I can only judge you based on what you have said in this thread, since I don't know you. I bear you no ill will. I do bear ill will towards many of the things you said. I do not like them, and I think people holding those opinions need to break out of their echo chambers and have the types of conversations we are having.
My political views are very different from the ones I held even a few years ago. This isn't poorly thought out. I'm not hitching onto some fad because I'm mad about the results of one election. If you can't see that, frankly, that's on you. If I'm curt with you, it's because I find your viewpoints exhausting and out of tune with reality.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, so your opinion of me is because you're an alter of an old poster who doesn't like my politics. We're done here.Really? Because your virulently anti-cop posts and complete misrepresentation of what happened in Ferguson a few years ago make it seem like you have EXACTLY the same viewpoints now as you did a few years ago. Down-the-line, check-the-box, radical leftist garbage.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, so your opinion of me is because you're an alter of an old poster who doesn't like my politics. We're done here.
Pity is, this stupid girly thing is overshadowing what is otherwise a really fantastic interview with Bono, he's in top form. And actually has been this entire promo tour.
Honest question for people much more hip on new music than I am...setting aside his perhaps poor choice of words, does he have a point about "rage" music for young men being primarily limited to hip hop, and there being a lack of the kind of outlet for angry young men via music?
Bono came up on punk, so I can see from his POV today's music may lack a certain...what? Anger? Rage? Muscularity? So is rock really less angry and rage fuelled than it used to be?
And in any event, isn't Bono's comment a bit of the pot calling the kettle black?
Honest question for people much more hip on new music than I am...setting aside his perhaps poor choice of words, does he have a point about "rage" music for young men being primarily limited to hip hop, and there being a lack of the kind of outlet for angry young men via music?
Bono came up on punk, so I can see from his POV today's music may lack a certain...what? Anger? Rage? Muscularity? So is rock really less angry and rage fuelled than it used to be?
And in any event, isn't Bono's comment a bit of the pot calling the kettle black?
Metal is, of course, thriving across the planet. And the genres birthed from punk are big, especially metalcore and its derivatives, but also hardcore and post-hardcore.