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The BVS's of the United States?
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Can't wait for the new album.
The BVS's of the United States?
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The BVS's of the United States?
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I have a few right wing friends on Facebook. They, and the people who comment on their posts, really do exist in a totally different reality than the rest of us. A reality where they"mainstream media" is lies, and conspiracy theories are embraced and facts that they dislike are dismissed as being media-created pieces of the "narrative" that the powers-that-be fashion to further their own interests.
I've also seen some of this on the Left. Talk about how "the bankers" control everything, how Iranian state run media gives us the real truth about the Palestinians, etc.
It's amazing. I think we have a touch of that here.
The BVS's of the United States?
First of all, most right wing alternative media is nonsense and propaganda. But it's a false equivalence to say that most left wing media is as well. And there are stories the mainstream media avoids. How honest do you think the mainstream media is as the beneficiary of a corrupt electoral / political system that allows billions of dollars to be spent during an election? All of that money ends up in their hands - they are not going to upset the apple cart.
A mainstream media that treats elections as sport and always try to keep it a horse race?
MOST of what the left wing media does is call out the bull shit that the right wing in this country gets away with - because they are absolutely insane yet the mainstream media treats Republicans as though they are a legitimate and reasonable political party.
Do you think it's right that corporations / business / banks write legislation for reps and senators to vote on?
I'm too tired to get into this now - but it's absurd to compare the right to the left.
If you think centrists / moderates are going to fairly fix over 30 years of right wing damage then I'm not the one that is into conspiracies and delusional nonsense, you are.
Everything has been pulled so far to the right that it would require a lot to get us back to the true middle - a pull from the "far left" not a pull from the middle.
I'll use one example:
They have been STEALING from Social Security for 30+ years because they gave HUGE tax breaks to rich people and corporations and needed more money, but both Republicans AND so called moderates would love to bury that fact and tell you that Social Security is bankrupt and needs to be reduced. That's crap.
Yeah, all of the people that refuse to vote for the right guy out of fear he can't win but will hop on the bandwagon once it seems safe to - after all of the heavy lifting is done.
What the hell is going on?
Anyone that believes that media from the perspective of the left is no better than media from the perspective of the right is delusional and / or is not too informed.
So because I don't want media to have a right or left perspective(or in other words; agenda) that makes me delusional or uninformed? That makes no sense.
Do you really want a left version of Glenn Beck or Fox News? Think about that. This type of agenda driven media creates a certain type of audience; one that stops fact checking and believes what they're fed. We need to put an end to this type of media, not add more. I don't care if it's left, right, religious, etc. it's dangerous.
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apparently the crazy bird has two wings
Getting back to my original point, this country has REAL problems which aren't going to be fixed by the right or the so called middle. Mark my words. Most of our massive problems will cost money, and the right and the middle won't demand it of the "haves". That leaves it to the liberals in this country to demand it, as it has ALWAYS been.
First of all, most right wing alternative media is nonsense and propaganda. But it's a false equivalence to say that most left wing media is as well. And there are stories the mainstream media avoids. How honest do you think the mainstream media is as the beneficiary of a corrupt electoral / political system that allows billions of dollars to be spent during an election? All of that money ends up in their hands - they are not going to upset the apple cart.
A mainstream media that treats elections as sport and always try to keep it a horse race?
MOST of what the left wing media does is call out the bull shit that the right wing in this country gets away with - because they are absolutely insane yet the mainstream media treats Republicans as though they are a legitimate and reasonable political party.
Do you think it's right that corporations / business / banks write legislation for reps and senators to vote on?
I'm too tired to get into this now - but it's absurd to compare the right to the left.
If you think centrists / moderates are going to fairly fix over 30 years of right wing damage then I'm not the one that is into conspiracies and delusional nonsense, you are.
Everything has been pulled so far to the right that it would require a lot to get us back to the true middle - a pull from the "far left" not a pull from the middle.
I'll use one example:
They have been STEALING from Social Security for 30+ years because they gave HUGE tax breaks to rich people and corporations and needed more money, but both Republicans AND so called moderates would love to bury that fact and tell you that Social Security is bankrupt and needs to be reduced. That's crap.
My God, this is revolutionary! I hadn't thought of it this way! A few sentences, written in generalizations, rather than specific, factual examples, and I'm convinced!
What you are saying reminds me of the people pointing out that Bernie Sanders is a socialist while ignoring the fact that on most issues the American people agree with Bernie.
You're sarcastic and probably not too sharp.
You're sarcastic and probably not too sharp.
Seems like you are reading into what I am saying and making assumptions about me that are way off the mark.
You're sarcastic and probably not too sharp.
Donald Trump Promises To Sever Someone's Head If That's What It Takes
Don't care. She was not polite to me. And half the reason you are siding with her is that she has a history here that I don't have. Don't care about popularity contests either.
It's also a tactic to change subjects and concentrate on being butthurt when the debate is not going so well - I see it with wingnuts all the time.
Don't care. She was not polite to me. And half the reason you are siding with her is that she has a history here that I don't have. Don't care about popularity contests either.
It's also a tactic to change subjects and concentrate on being butthurt when the debate is not going so well - I see it with wingnuts all the time.
I'm sure he is a great guy and all, but i'd rather not send him to an early grave just to satisfy a movement, who will likely be disappointed anyway. Most people say things to get elected, once in office, they see the deep secrets of how things really work, and they don't get to do all of the wonderful stuff they promised.
Obama has come the closest in my lifetime, and yet there are many here who will tell you he fell way short in several areas.