Album 13: Mirror mirror on the wall, there's no album so let's just talk y'all

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As long as Edge redefines the sound of the guitar, the rhythm section becomes unrecognizable from their former selves and Bono writes the most inspired lyrics ever committed to paper, I'm fine with it.
It's not like I'm asking them to create a new musical genre or anything.
Lazy bastards.
 
Bono just needs to stop writing about his "activistic activities" which he's already doing more than his fair share outside the band as it is.

No "EARTH 2030" or AFRICA FAMINE/DISEASE related lyrics please...

Get back to pure everyday Emotion driven lyrics, the basics...

Throw back in some of the "Yeah, Yeahs" and "Baby, Baby, babies" to lighten things up a bit :wink:
 
Bono just needs to stop writing about his "activistic activities" which he's already doing more than his fair share outside the band as it is.

No "EARTH 2030" or AFRICA FAMINE/DISEASE related lyrics please...

Get back to pure everyday Emotion driven lyrics, the basics...

Throw back in some of the "Yeah, Yeahs" and "Baby, Baby, babies" to lighten things up a bit :wink:


You realize he hasn't actually written many songs about his "activist activities" right?
 
You realize he hasn't actually written many songs about his "activist activities" right?

That's true, but he's always throwing on here and there...:sexywink:

"Peace On Earth", "Walk On", "Crumbs From Your Tables"

Maybe not all about it but the "I wish I or we could save the world" type of lyrics...
 
After 35 years, what does their "box" look and sound like?

The Unforgettable Fire is out of the first three album's box.
Rattle And Hum/Lovetown is out of the box.
Achtung Baby is their most out of the box.
In a certain way, even Pop is not similar to Achtung Baby and Zooropa, you can perfectly distinguish each eras sonically.
Although I'm not a big fan of that option, the back-to-basics of ATYCLB was a out-of-the-box decision getting into the box again.
 
Hell, at this point releasing the damn album would be outside the box for them.

Based on how NLOTH ended up versus how it may have ended up, I don't think we will ever see any radical sonic experimentation from them again. At least until (if...) they open the vaults and let us hear all of their abandoned ideas. But at this point we have no idea where they're going with the new album so we could all be in for a huge surprise.

I still want to hear what everyone heard at those one or two listening parties late last summer while they were still at Electric Lady.
 
As long as Edge redefines the sound of the guitar, the rhythm section becomes unrecognizable from their former selves and Bono writes the most inspired lyrics ever committed to paper, I'm fine with it.
It's not like I'm asking them to create a new musical genre or anything.
Lazy bastards.

Post of the year! :applaud:
 
The Unforgettable Fire is out of the first three album's box.

Rattle And Hum/Lovetown is out of the box.

Achtung Baby is their most out of the box.

In a certain way, even Pop is not similar to Achtung Baby and Zooropa, you can perfectly distinguish each eras sonically.

Although I'm not a big fan of that option, the back-to-basics of ATYCLB was a out-of-the-box decision getting into the box again.


So "out of the box" is defined as sounding different, for them. i can agree with that.

After 35 years and an unarguably diverse catalogue, what could they do that would be understood by you as being "out of the box"?

Take Scorsese. Been around a long time. Lots of different movies. Also haunted by his own past. When he does "Wolf," it's considered a Goodfellas rehash, only not as good (ie, COBL vs Steeets). If he does something really different (say, Hugo), no one sees it and fans cry out for the big bloody steaks of the past. (fwiw, "ATYCLB/Bomb" is = The Departed).

What I mean to say is that U2, like a Scorsese, have literally etched their own unique identity into the culture. There is such a thing as a U2 sound, that aching uplift, and that becomes itself a box. When you invent it, you arrive and you're a genius. When you return, it can never quite be the same because your audience will never again have that discovery (and neither will you).

These are challenges faces by all major artists across genres (Springsteen, Spielberg, Jonathan Franzen ... was Freedom as good as The Corrections? ... will we ever get another Breaking Bad from Vince Gilligan, another Mad Men from Weiner, what has David Chase some since The Sopranos ... did FFC ever do anything after Apocalypse Now?)

You could argue that if a 28-year old not named Scorsese came out with Wolf of Wall Street, he'd be considered a genius (or PT Anderson ;) ). But because it's Scorsese, there's an impossible standard to live up to, even if you could argue, on the technical merits, that what was just made is actually "better" than what was done in the past. You can't redeliver a moment of discovery to an audience, they can't regain their innocence.

In a way, I see U2 like a lot of artists at their age. I'd say Spielberg and Scorsese are capable of moments and scenes as good or better than anything they've ever done, yet their films as a whole don't seem to add up to the same impact that they had in the past. Not because it isn't good, but because it's impossible to return -- and because the artist him/herself has become self-aware, they've become who they are, and who they always were.

These are half formed thoughts on a mobile, but for me, it underscores why I think they need to focus on writing really good songs that have emotional wallop. Reinvention, to me, seems a dead end. What else could they possibly sound like?
 
David Chase made a criminally underrated movie: "Not Fade Away" - which was probably overlooked for its lack of criminals. RIMSHOT!
 
They never seemed old because they weren't yet old.

They now seem old because they are fucking old.

In 2004 they didn't seem old even though they were in their mid-40s and had been around for 25 years.

Aerosmith seemed old by Get A Grip, which came out 21 years after their debut - it's their ATYCLB.

Constant reinvention helps keep the artist young because it refreshes the music and the image, so the persona that the public sees is always fresh. For the flipside, look at Robert Smith. When I was in high school, people would say, "oh, the cure are old," whereas they never said that about U2. I think it's because of the reinvention.

Look at the Flaming Lips: they're not considered an old band even though the celebrated 30 years last year. If they'd kept their early 90s style, or even their millennial style, they wouldn't be so lucky.
 
That's true, but he's always throwing on here and there...:sexywink:

"Peace On Earth", "Walk On", "Crumbs From Your Tables"

Maybe not all about it but the "I wish I or we could save the world" type of lyrics...


Now you're talking about most of their back catalog. Without looking I dare day every album has a song about peace.
 
i don't think U2 and Aerosmith are really comparable.

by 1986, post-drugs Aerosmith had hooked up with Bon Jovi's songwriter Desmond Child and were clearly, consciously making metal-pop songs ("angel" and "what it takes" still gets the 11-year old deep inside me), and they continue to sing about pussy. sorry to use that word in such a context, but that really is what most of their songs are about. Pink? yep. they are much more comparable to Bon Jovi.

they don't have the ambition of U2. and fair enough. they're actually fantastic bluesy musicians, but they know what their job is, and they also know that they are pretty limited by their mentally damaged lead singer.
 
So "out of the box" is defined as sounding different, for them. i can agree with that.

After 35 years and an unarguably diverse catalogue, what could they do that would be understood by you as being "out of the box"?

Take Scorsese. Been around a long time. Lots of different movies. Also haunted by his own past. When he does "Wolf," it's considered a Goodfellas rehash, only not as good (ie, COBL vs Steeets). If he does something really different (say, Hugo), no one sees it and fans cry out for the big bloody steaks of the past. (fwiw, "ATYCLB/Bomb" is = The Departed).

What I mean to say is that U2, like a Scorsese, have literally etched their own unique identity into the culture. There is such a thing as a U2 sound, that aching uplift, and that becomes itself a box. When you invent it, you arrive and you're a genius. When you return, it can never quite be the same because your audience will never again have that discovery (and neither will you).

These are challenges faces by all major artists across genres (Springsteen, Spielberg, Jonathan Franzen ... was Freedom as good as The Corrections? ... will we ever get another Breaking Bad from Vince Gilligan, another Mad Men from Weiner, what has David Chase some since The Sopranos ... did FFC ever do anything after Apocalypse Now?)

You could argue that if a 28-year old not named Scorsese came out with Wolf of Wall Street, he'd be considered a genius (or PT Anderson ;) ). But because it's Scorsese, there's an impossible standard to live up to, even if you could argue, on the technical merits, that what was just made is actually "better" than what was done in the past. You can't redeliver a moment of discovery to an audience, they can't regain their innocence.

In a way, I see U2 like a lot of artists at their age. I'd say Spielberg and Scorsese are capable of moments and scenes as good or better than anything they've ever done, yet their films as a whole don't seem to add up to the same impact that they had in the past. Not because it isn't good, but because it's impossible to return -- and because the artist him/herself has become self-aware, they've become who they are, and who they always were.

These are half formed thoughts on a mobile, but for me, it underscores why I think they need to focus on writing really good songs that have emotional wallop. Reinvention, to me, seems a dead end. What else could they possibly sound like?

This :up: Amazing post...sums up beautifully the intent to "Top" a previous masterpiece work, becoming a sort of "rehash".

So Bono's comment about "rejecting one's way of expression completely, and take risks to find a new one" is exactly what they need to do...
 
Reinvention, to me, seems a dead end. What else could they possibly sound like?

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This :up: Amazing post...sums up beautifully the intent to "Top" a previous masterpiece work, becoming a sort of "rehash".

So Bono's comment about "rejecting one's way of expression completely, and take risks to find a new one" is exactly what they need to do...

How can you talk about what an amazing post it was, then completely reject the conclusions of the last line?

And Bono's line is silly for a band as old as U2 and people their age. How can U2 "reject their way of expression completely". What utter rubbish.
 
Now you're talking about most of their back catalog. Without looking I dare day every album has a song about peace.

Right, perhaps I have not expressed myself properly. What I meant basically is writing songs that are not about World Peace, Politics, Africa or any other "worldly" issues If I may say...

I wish that Bono could get back to "lighter" lyrical content. His lyrics have always been profound and well thought out for most songs for sure. But I'm talking about the "Discotheque" "Zoo Station" "Zooropa" lightness here...
 
I was in college when Pop came out. I remember thinking, "ew, 30-something men trying to do the club scene. Gross. They're so old."

Old is relative. 35 was old to me when I was 20. However 50 does not seem that old when I'm 35.

U2 will always be old to the 18-24 crowd. Been the case since Achtung Baby.
 
All this reinvention/ experimental talk is pure crap.

ATYCLB was a reinvention, just because it wasn't a reinvention you liked doesn't mean you can rewrite history and say it wasn't.

Vertigo was the first power chord straight forward pop rock song that U2 has ever released, just because it wasn't a reinvention or experiment you liked doesn't mean it didn't happen.

NLOTH, same thing. Writing in character, chant choruses, rapid fire stipe-esque delivery... so on and so on were all new for U2.

Just start calling it what it really is. You just don't like it, stop pretending it's not there.
 
I don't care about reinvention or rehashing or whatever. I think they're biggest problem is that their new songs sound too "nice."
 
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How can you talk about what an amazing post it was, then completely reject the conclusions of the last line?

The parrallel with film about an artist's body of work compared to their "Masterpieces" and how sometimes people may see the artist's latter endeavours as "rehash" is brilliant.

And Bono's line is silly for a band as old as U2 and people their age. How can U2 "reject their way of expression completely". What utter rubbish.

At their age, it is silly indeed, but that's what they did after R&H to produce the genius of AB...no ?
 
last thing i'll say about this, since i am being slapped around by work these days, is that, for me, the best moments of '00's U2 are the following:

1. the 2006 Australian version of Kite, particularly Edge's solo (after the stupid Cate Blanchet shout-out); it aches and soars and is sad and happy, all at the same time. it actually sounds like it was written by men with real life experience, succeeding in capturing the rhapsody and despair of aging and letting go.

2. MOS -- a near miraculous conjuring of a bleak new world that moves effortlessly along the edge of disaster, literally holding on by a thread. it's bracing.

3. COBL -- it is a Streets rehash, but it earns it's emotion because it's a look back by Bono at the Bono who wrote Streets, a wise man looking at a younger man, and admiring that younger man and telling him, "you're right, you're right about yourself, you can do this, you will do this." it's sort of how, like, in the 4th dimension, you can see time. it's like that with those two songs.

(and, for me, OOTS has a deeply sentimental meaning; i know there's hate for that song, and my emotions towards it are irrational, but it's *my* song).

what i mean to say is that they are best served by using who they are and where they are because when they do that, as they have at points throughout the 00's, they are still brilliant.

when they look stupid is when they try too hard to be cool, like that Tomb Raider video.
 
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