mikal
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Nick66 said:U2boy, you've been lied to.
U2 says no remaster.
"mikal" says remaster.
You decide.
Studies show that 8 out of 10 people trust mikal over U2.
Nick66 said:U2boy, you've been lied to.
U2 says no remaster.
"mikal" says remaster.
You decide.
It's not a matter of "opinion". U2 isn't calling the album remastered. If people can't agree on that, as an absolute, base minimum on which to draw a conclusion, they're not operating from a place of reason.
Otherwise, people can just make up whatever definition for whatever terms they wish, which is essentially what's going on here. Yes, a new master was created when they tweaked the levels, but it's nowhere near what they did for all the other reissues. That's a fact, not an opinion. U2's not calling it a remaster. They fact that some people want to say "It's remasterd to me"...well, there's really no reasoning with that.
Because, believe, me, if U2 used the word remaster, I'd be hearing no end of it. It's basically a lot of people who don't even want to respect even what U2 says about their own product because admitting that they might have been wrong is apparently impossible for them.
Agree 100% on point 2.
Very cool display! Shame it's empty though. I don't have any room to display mine. My shelves are all full too. Oops.
I'll be buying a new shelf then monday I guess.
Can I request a pic when you got it finished?
That's what i thought too!
I immediately cleared a shelf thursday evening...
Now that empty shelf is going to annoy me all weekend...
You have...... multiple.... shelves..?
Yeah, i'll take another pic when i finally get my box.
U2boy, you've been lied to.
U2 says no remaster.
"mikal" says remaster.
You decide.
u2boy_nl said:Well i'd like to hear some more arguments before i take sides in this very important matter.
Please enlighten me....
OpenG180 said:I don't think Nick fully comprehends what a "remaster" is.
When a band records an album, they begin by recording instruments on separate tracks - drums on one track, bass on another, guitar on another, vocal on another. This is then mixed to a two-track stereo master which can then be used for pressing LPs, CDs, etc. Usually this master goes through one more stage where an engineer adds compression and EQ. This is called mastering.
Remastering means grabbing that original two-channel mixdown and re-applying compression and EQ. This is exactly what's been made to AB and Zooropa. You just don't hear much difference because it didn't need that level of hiss cleaning etc needed for the early 80s remasters. The Edge NEVER said it wasn't remastered in that Q awards interview. He just said it didn't need much work.
It is remastered by all means.
I cringe everytime i read Nick saying "it is not remastered"... really do. And when someone says something he doesn't have an answer he goes for that rather silly "how old are you" question.
You guys are confusing me..the AB is fully remastered, right?!!
Gracias!No doubt about that. It's not even in question.
I could explain to you the difference between remastering something from the source tapes, and creating a new master from the existing one, if you'd like.
Um, no. It's you who are mistaken. We've been over this. Many times. I know what a remaster is, much better than you do apparently.
U2 called ALL the other reissues "remasters".
The are not calling this a "remaster".
That is the end of the discussion.
I'd also like to know what the download code gives access to? Maybe it's an 'Achtung Baby' foetus...or an 'Achtung Baby' sperm!
Man, those Germans treat that uber set harshly in the 'unboxing' clip. They almost tear the drawer section when they pull it out...and leave the vinyl out of it's slipcover before discarding it to the side. They don't actually unbox the whole thing either. And is there a U2 tribute band in the background?
You guys arguing about the 'mastering' issue...leave it alone. Chill, enjoy the release...life is way too short. Just agree to disagree and give each other a hug...as soon as possible
Just drop the fucking remaster debate!!!! It's seriously getting old.
I cringe everytime i read Nick saying "it is not remastered"... really do. And when someone says something he doesn't have an answer he goes for that rather silly "how old are you" question.
No doubt about that. It's not even in question.
Yes, a new master was created when they tweaked the levels, but it's nowhere near what they did for all the other reissues. That's a fact, not an opinion.
OpenG180 said:Funny you should say that. I've read before you saying that "a remaster is when a new master is made bla bla bla". That was what happened.
Just because they didn't need to do a lot like the early 80's remasters it doesn't mean it is not remastered. The concept of remastering, for the world, isn't something that we measure using as a standard the remasters done for the other U2 albums. If we remaster Rubber Soul or Electric Ladyland and we do little (like it was done for AB) it would be still a remaster. Doesn't matter if it's "nowhere near what they did for all the other reissues" of U2 albums.
let. It. Go.
Funny you should say that. I've read before you saying that "a remaster is when a new master is made bla bla bla". That was what happened.
Just because they didn't need to do a lot like the early 80's remasters it doesn't mean it is not remastered. The concept of remastering, for the world, isn't something that we measure using as a standard the remasters done for the other U2 albums. If we remaster Rubber Soul or Electric Ladyland and we do little (like it was done for AB) it would be still a remaster. Doesn't matter if it's "nowhere near what they did for all the other reissues" of U2 albums.
This is a much more extensive process than simply "re-EQ'ng" the existing, finished recording, which is what apparently U2 did here. And clearly a true remaster going back to the source tapes is not something you can do at home.U2's THE JOSHUA TREE has been meticulously remastered under the supervision of The Edge from the original master tapes to mark 20 years since its release, is now available in multiple formats.
omg, can we please let this "is it remastered or not" debate go, PLEASE?? it was bad enough when it took over the thread before its release, but now that it's out...come on.
let. it. go.
and for the record no, this isn't directed at anyone specifically, but rather anyone and everyone engaging in this debate.