Whatever happened to just playing music??

[hpantazo]

He referred to Aun San Suu Khi as Iranian. Yeah, he's obviously well informed.

And as I said before. If he doesn't want to hear the politics, he shouldn't buy a ticket to a U2 show? It's THAT simple.

thank you for proving my point as to how much some of you lack the open mindedness that you pretend to value.

 

[BVS]

thank you for proving my point as to how much some of you lack the open mindedness that you pretend to value.

That is not proving your point. This is not an opinion, this is a fact.

 

[hpantazo]

That is not proving your point. This is not an opinion, this is a fact.

Yes Mr. Hitler, whatever you say is a fact.

 

[No spoken words]

You know, speaking of which:

Are there any more people out there with the last name Hitler?

 

[ramblin rose]

The funny thing for me was that I really think this show has practically no politics in it. Also, i've been (and I think the band also) really impressed with the mask initiative in both Chicago and Boston. It's definitely been more visible that what I saw in Barcelona and Dublin.

I'm not sure who is in the majority since I don't think anyone has a poll from the audience but I don't get the impression from the audience reaction to the politics that the view of the OP is in the majority.

I was actually moved, when the guy next to me in the RZ in Boston 2, took the opportunity to explain to his two kids about Desmond Tutu, Aung San Suu Kyi, and the Iranian situation as those parts came up during the show.

But, whatever. To each his own. I kind of agree with the attitude that if it bothers you so much skip the show. This is what U2 has always been about. It's just like the static setlists. If you haven't figured out yet that U2 is going to talk about world politics and not change up the setlist by now, then it's really more your problem than theirs.

PS, the 9/11 analogy is really bad, imho.

 

[djparky]

I have to call bullshit on anyone who tells me they go to a concert to be informed about social injustices in 3rd world countries.

ok on this point I do sort of agree with you- you don't necessarily expect that from a rock concert. But the politics is a bog standard part of more or less every U2 tour that I can remember- hell I had 10 minutes of live Sarajevo ruins and people dying on the Zoo TV tour show...

but if they want to make a point that they're passionate about then that's fine with me, if they want to try and support a charity then that's fine with me as well- as long as I'm free to make a choice about whether or not I want to contribute it or indeed whether I agree with their view.

if you find the notion of politics at a concert truly offensive then I suggest you avoid future U2 concerts because I don't see them ever changing that

 

[BVS]

Yes Mr. Hitler, whatever you say is a fact.

Really? You are comparing me to Hitler because I know that aung san suu kyi is not Iranian? Are you serious? You're calling me a Nazi because I know where she's from? What kind of logic is this? I'm pretty sure personal attacks and calling people nazis is against forum policy.

I just don't get this celebration of ignorance...

 

[No spoken words]

You know, speaking of which:

Are there any more people out there with the last name Hitler?

I'm serious.

Did everyone change their last name from Hitler to something else, or is there a Frank Hitler wandering out there?

 

[kafrun]

A security guard asked me who Aung San Suu Kyi is. She didn't know it was on the back of the mask (mask aside and however you feel about it, I think it's odd for that setting and a bad idea for that reason but that's moot at this point). So she wondered and then she found out. Would she do that otherwise? Maybe, maybe not. It's not exactly on the news much. But a little awareness never hurt anyone. It's a small (and smaller than it used to be) part of the show, so is it ultimately really that bothersome? And I would think that people can tune it out, if that's what they choose to do. We all tune out and filter content in our lives.

Exactly. Every little bit of awareness is a step in the right direction. Even I ready the back of the mask while waiting for the show to start, and it reminded me of a few key facts I had forgotten since studying Burma years ago. The very fact that people keep referring to her as Iranian highlights the need for more awareness.

But hey, if it's that bothersome, again, you can tune it out. Better yet, switch places with Aung San Suu Kyi. I'm sure she'd be more than happy to have the freedom to attend a concert.

//soapbox.

 

[nielsgov]

This is a great thread.
How a thread about Bono talking about politics can turn into a thread about Hitler...

 

[hpantazo]

Really? You are comparing me to Hitler because I know that aung san suu kyi is not Iranian? Are you serious? You're calling me a Nazi because I know where she's from? What kind of logic is this? I'm pretty sure personal attacks and calling people nazis is against forum policy.

I just don't get this celebration of ignorance...

I consider how people responded to the original post in this thread as a personal attack, and how you state your opinion as fact is nazi like behavior. How you avoid to talk about points when you have no answer to them is Sara Palin like behavior.

Anyway, what I originally tried to say was other opinions in here were not met with respect by certain people. Sure, the original poster doesn't know who aung san suu kyi is, and probably doesn't care. That doesn't mean they should be treated like an idiot and have their opinion met with mob like mentality, it was a valid criticism of the show, I'm sure U2 would be interested in hearing it. If you care so much about the band pushing political agendas, then you should have been more concerned about the fact that this person, who is a big fan, heard all of Bono's speech, saw Walk On with the masks, and still didn't know a thing about aung san suu kyi. So, did the Bono talk have it's desired effect to educate people on the problem? Not at all on this person, so something may be wrong with the approach. Did it hurt the musical experience? From this person's perspective, yes, it did. Although most fans on interference don't feel that way, it would be wise to recognize that most fans at the concert are not as into the band as we are, and it would be nice to hear their point since they do buy tickets and albums, and maybe realize that a less in your face approach regarding aung san suu kyi may have reached more of the average fans.

Now, since you are so much wiser than the original poster regarding aung san suu kyi, what have you done to help her situation? Well, nothing more than what the original poster has done, which is slightly better than the person who swam to her house and caused more problems for her.

I apologize if I offended you in previous posts, but I wanted to show you that your logic is as ridiculous to some as the logic of the first poster was to you. Take the time to answer them in a little nicer manner and hear their opinion, or don't answer at all (this, just to state the obvious, is the equivalent of: if you don't like the political stuff, don't go to the show).

 

[BVS]

I consider how people responded to the original post in this thread as a personal attack, and how you state your opinion as fact is nazi like behavior. How you avoid to talk about points when you have no answer to them is Sara Palin like behavior.

Please go back to my original response to YOUR post and relook at the context. I wasn't commenting on anyone's opinion, just a fact. Now who's Sarah Palin like?

Now, since you are so much wiser than the original poster regarding aung san suu kyi, what have you done to help her situation? Well, nothing more than what the original poster has done, which is slightly better than the person who swam to her house and caused more problems for her.

First you call me a nazi now you make assumptions about my life? Please quit while you're ahead...

 

[Togna_Bologna]

OP, some questions.

Do you think the awareness that U2 brings to people actually helps these issues come to resolution?

If so, do you think it might be worth a little bit of a harsh to your buzz in order to help stop the atrocities that are going on in this world right now.

I'll tell you right now, if it wasn't for U2, I wouldn't have heard of (and joined) Amnesty International, or the One Campaign, or Jubilee, or read about some of the crap they're dealing with in Africa. It's because I'm a U2 fan that I get to hear about some of the worst things going on in the world (how great is that?), but as a U2 fan, I also have a front row seat when great stuff happens due to our boy Bono being a pain in the ass to some politician... but I'm getting off track here.

What I'm trying to say is, don't you think it's worth it to have this message brought to the masses, to people who aren't aware of the issues, (even in an atmosphere that may not be conducive to harsh bummers) and see a change in the world, then have a great party for one night, and let people go on suffering on the other side of the Earth. The band knows it's a buzzkill sometimes, but the truth is it gets results, and the results are ultimately far more important than a rock show, and they know it.

And really, as it's been said in this thread a number of times, U2 has been around for 30 years now, this is what they do. If you don't know by now that you're going to get an earful of political humanitarian aid stuff... I don't know what else to say to you.

 

[STERKERNOG]

For the last time, she is not Iranian!

I was refering to SBS not Walk On...

 

[Mrs. Garrison]

 

[No spoken words]

I'm serious.

Did everyone change their last name from Hitler to something else, or is there a Frank Hitler wandering out there?

Apparently there are some people out there who retained the last name.

I'm now going to do some research and see if there's anyone out there named "Josh Stalin" or "Mao Vincent".

I'll keep you all updated.

Oh, and congratulations interference on yet another completely moronic thread. Well done.

 

[hpantazo]

OP, some questions.

Do you think the awareness that U2 brings to people actually helps these issues come to resolution?

If so, do you think it might be worth a little bit of a harsh to your buzz in order to help stop the atrocities that are going on in this world right now.

I'll tell you right now, if it wasn't for U2, I wouldn't have heard of (and joined) Amnesty International, or the One Campaign, or Jubilee, or read about some of the crap they're dealing with in Africa. It's because I'm a U2 fan that I get to hear about some of the worst things going on in the world (how great is that?), but as a U2 fan, I also have a front row seat when great stuff happens due to our boy Bono being a pain in the ass to some politician... but I'm getting off track here.

What I'm trying to say is, don't you think it's worth it to have this message brought to the masses, to people who aren't aware of the issues, (even in an atmosphere that may not be conducive to harsh bummers) and see a change in the world, then have a great party for one night, and let people go on suffering on the other side of the Earth. The band knows it's a buzzkill sometimes, but the truth is it gets results, and the results are ultimately far more important than a rock show, and they know it.

And really, as it's been said in this thread a number of times, U2 has been around for 30 years now, this is what they do. If you don't know by now that you're going to get an earful of political humanitarian aid stuff... I don't know what else to say to you.

Wow, now that's a great example of how to respectfully answer the original poster when you don't agree with them, I hope your taking notes BVS

 

[elevated_u2_fan]

Oh, and congratulations interference on yet another completely moronic thread. Well done.

ungh!

 

[yenlard]

that's what jonas brother's concerts are for

 

[No spoken words]

Dolts on parade!

Ba-da, da-da-da, dadada.

 

[BVS]

I hope your taking notes BVS

Yes Mr. Hitler

I did, I learned that anyone I disagree with I just call them Hitler or a Nazi, thank you for teaching me such an informed way of discussion.

 

[No spoken words]

Hpantzo, way to make BVS seem like a victim. That's not easy.

 

[MissVelvetDress_75]

Apparently there are some people out there who retained the last name.

I'm now going to do some research and see if there's anyone out there named "Josh Stalin" or "Mao Vincent".

I'll keep you all updated.

 

[BVS]

Hpantzo, way to make BVS seem like a victim. That's not easy.

Please, I haven't given into one of your taunts for months.

 

[coolian2]

dear internet,

why are you so full of douchebags?

love,
ian

 

[ramblin rose]

Oh, and congratulations interference on yet another completely moronic thread. Well done.

Why are you posting in a thread you think is moronic? There must be other non-moronic threads that you could be posting in on other parts of the forum, no?

 

[No spoken words]

Please, I haven't given into one of your taunts for months.

That's likely because you're way too busy arguing with Financeguy or Indy500 or Stingbow or any number of other posters.

And, last time I checked, you're the cat that made a post promising to argue with people less often.

Ignoring me is likely smart, but, that wasn't really my point, was it now? It was that you argue with everyone and their Mother, then are shocked when attacked, which is a sick fucking joke.

 

[BVS]

dear internet,

why are you so full of douchebags?

love,
ian

Dear Ian,

I'm a series of tubes. And sometimes the tubes get hooked up to the wrong receptacles.

I hope that answers your question.

Best regards,

Internetz

 

[gvox]

I consider how people responded to the original post in this thread as a personal attack, and how you state your opinion as fact is nazi like behavior. How you avoid to talk about points when you have no answer to them is Sara Palin like behavior.

So you use a slur like nazi or Hitler to prelude what might be some great points? Actually though, they end up being kindof moot because we don't need to 'respect' someone's opinion if they use completely erroneous statements to argue it. There's a credibility factor involved that goes out the window when one says something like "Iranian woman during Walk On" or "Mandela introducing One". Basically, it makes one look like they have no idea what they are talking about.

At least my use of the word ignorant can be tied back to the words of the OP as opposed to the OP himself (which is where I erred, in insulting him personally).

As it stands, nothing in your insult and ensuing argument ties back to nazis, Hitler, or for that matter that dolt Sarah Palin.

So why didn't you in fact just come on out and hit us with those words of wisdom without the brutal comparisons to murderers and nitwits?

I don't normally ask for the lock, but truly this thread is going nowhere fast.

 

[No spoken words]

Why are you posting in a thread you think is moronic? There must be other non-moronic threads that you could be posting in on other parts of the forum, no?

Because I'm a moron too, and I'm entitled to post in here if I feel like it.

My motivations are none of your concern. If I violate any forum rules, speak to me then.

Oh, and one other thing:

There are less and less threads on this site that are non-moronic, so I pick the lesser of the present evils.