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Or just could just take the 5 seconds it took you to write this and fucking elaborate on your "oh-so-crystal-clear point."
I tried. Failed. My bad. Relax.
Or just could just take the 5 seconds it took you to write this and fucking elaborate on your "oh-so-crystal-clear point."
Buying their albums is really the type of help they most need.
And if you can afford to buy certain albums, then don't pretend that you'd never listen to music. It doesn't suit you.
And if you can afford to buy certain albums, then don't pretend that you'd never listen to music. It doesn't suit you.
Actually, don't most bands make more money from touring and merchandising than they do from the albums? If you "steal" the music, but pay to see them perform, you're probably helping more than you're hurting.
To be fair, you can name almost any commodity and say that the original intent was not for it to be sold. Bartering existed long before monetary systems, but things evolve. Also, was music ever really performed for free? It couldn't be recorded, sure, but didn't people pay to see musicians, offer food or lodging to minstrels, etc? I'm asking, you of all people would know if that is the case or not, of course.
And, yes, the music industry is woefully outpaced by the technology, agreed.
Actually, don't most bands make more money from touring and merchandising than they do from the albums? If you "steal" the music, but pay to see them perform, you're probably helping more than you're hurting.
Actually, don't most bands make more money from touring and merchandising than they do from the albums? If you "steal" the music, but pay to see them perform, you're probably helping more than you're hurting.
I don't mean I wouldn't listen to music. I mean I wouldn't listen to that wide of a range of music. I'd probably still just be listening to U2 and Springsteen exclusively, along with some Red Hot Chili Peppers my brother's bought or something.
You're absolutely correct in that nothing was originally intended to be sold. Like I said earlier, in a society like ours, it's bound to happen. No, even back when Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, and all of those classical dudes were composing, people did pay to see music. However, that money DIDN'T go to the composers, generally. Mozart died poor and not nearly as famous as he is today. I do try to see as many shows and buy as much merchandise as I can possibly afford because I feel like that's a better way to support an artist, and then, when I have the money, I go out and buy the record too.
Again, just to be clear, I'm not really trying to justify my actions, since I know what I'm doing is stealing according to the law.
Laz, do you do this with films, too? Lance? Do you guys download films for free and never pay for them?
Wrong.
You'd listen to Pandora or other some great internet radio stations. That's if you truly wanted to be exposed to new music.
I literally spent two years on this site not downloading music, and I didn't do any of those things. I wanted to, and, as I recall, talked often about how I was disappointed I couldn't. But I never took those steps. Only relatively recently did I begin downloading.
Of course. I downloaded over 100 movies this summer. Of course 80% of them are movies either no longer available through home video or not available through Region 1 DVD, for purchase or through rental. The other 20% is just stuff I wouldn't get to otherwise.
But really, those two markets are so dissimilar it's hard to make the comparison really mean anything.
Wrong.
You'd listen to Pandora or other some great internet radio stations. That's if you truly wanted to be exposed to new music.
Oh, I know that you're not justifying your actions. I'm just enjoying the discussion.
Mozart died very poor, but his outrageous spending habits contributed to that.
Dan, look, at the end of the day, I really don't care who steals what, especially from the music industry. I'm more playing devil's advocate here than anything else.
It's just hard for me to listen to arguments that make it seem like people have no alternative but to steal music in the name of listening to music. I am completely aware that it's the wild fucking west out there with music and a broke 18 year old that loves music is going to love donwloading a free album in 2 minutes. Were I in your shoes, I'd probably be doing the same exact shit.
I'd just do like Oneblood, though, and admit to stealing it and would not pretend like I had some sort of claim on the music just because I can garner it with little to no effort.
Boo Pandora. Every time I've tried to use that thing, it ends up playing the same 5 bands over and over. Maybe if I put more time into it, it'd learn more of my preferences, but it seems futile.
As am I. Just wanted to put it out there in case somebody jumped in and didn't realize.
That's probably true. I don't know much about Mozart's personal life. But, even if he did blow all of his money, virtually zero composers lived lucrative lives because of their earnings from performing and writing music.
Ok Lance.
I'm pretty sure you just finally did what I was asking three times before and elaborated despite addressing a wholly other post.
So thanks, fuckburger.
As each day goes by it becomes more and more difficult to decipher if you're being sincere, facetious, dismissive or passive aggressive with these sorts of responses.
It was very interesting and surprising to come back home and find that I had zero trouble switching back to the pay-as-you-go model. What with it being legal, and all.
I'm rarely passive aggressive, come on. This was actually sincere, as if to say "I see your point and it makes my upcoming point moot now".
Can I give you a hug now, Lance?
I bring my Ipod to work but when I'd forget it, Pandora came in handy....took like 30 minutes one day and added a bunch of artists I like and that helped.
I'm sure you're right about other composers not living very opulent lives. I'm sure that just about everyone else lived similar lives, though.
Anyway, as I told Peef Dawg, I'm just sort of enjoying the debate. I don't really care if you download free music or not, you do what's best for you, of course.
Fair enough. I think the clarity is probably worth throwing in an extra word or two though instead of the ambiguous "OK."
Well, that's the case now because albums are bought so infrequently anymore. It's a vicious cycle.
Laz, do you do this with films, too? Lance? Do you guys download films for free and never pay for them?
Oh, and I should admit to illegally acquiring Season 1 of Blake's 7.
Well, I don't think bands EVER made much from their albums, unless they were in a position to renegotiate favorable contracts after becoming very successful.
Like Lance said, I only download stuff that I isn't available on DVD at all, or where the import is just out of my price range.
I NEVER download something I can see in the theatre. And I don't rent films, either. But I buy a shitload. Of course, the difference between seeing a film in the theatre and seeing it at home is much bigger than the difference between a purchased CD and downloaded mp3s.