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just make a point to check out ticketmaster.com every morning with your coffee

i do, that's how you get notified of tickets

i also am a subscriber to ticketmaster and I get tickets ahead of others who are casual music fans

for top tier bands, yes, you have to be in the "know"...meaning doing the above.
 
popmartjn, I'd say you've miss quotted me but then I'd be giving you too much credit, I did not say i don't like casual fans at concerts. You are foolish and should be kept away from even simple machines.
 
Just adding my to cents here,

A. The website is god awful, it's annoying and the worst I've seen for any band. Maybe the it's not deisgned by U2 excuse hold up for a bit, but this site has sucked hard for a decade. If you want to be on the cutting edge, start with your own damn website, it's sucked to long for me not to blame them personally.


you lie. Guns N' Roses: Home: Chinese Democracy

The rest of your post isn't even worth quoting to make fun of. Get back on your meds.
 
How is saying it's the worst I've seen a lie? Do you really think that i'm lyring, have you seen my interweb history and you know i went the chinese democracy release site?

"The website is god awful, it's annoying and the worst I've seen for any band."

I lied there? ur retarded
 
There apparently isn't much to talk about in the world of GNR either.

Yeah I'm ashamed to say I'm part of a GNR forum because I follow Velvet Revolver. I love anything Slash is in actually. Think of how dissapointed they must be.
 
You didn't hear that the band is reaching out to jerks with the new album? :wink:

Honestly, it doesn't bother me at all that there's been little hubub in the last few weeks. I hope it stays this way leading up to the album. It seems to suggest to me that the band thinks the work is good enough to speak for itself, and that excites me. I'd love to see the band move back in the direction of worrying about the music first and letting other things fall into place later.

If there was a full-on media assault, people would be complaining about oversaturation and saying that they just want to hear the album and not have to listen to Bono :blahblah: about it. Also, the fact that they've been tight-lipped leads me to believe they're going to make some big, very clear, very well-handled announcements regarding the tour, tickets, presales, etc. I'd rather have a longer wait for a redesigned version of U2.com, because it's making me hold out at least a little hope that they've hired a company that knows what the hell they're doing and can make the site more functional and reorganize the fan club to prepare for the onslaught of new members who want presale codes.

And really, when it comes down to it, I don't feel like U2 needs very much marketing. U2's reputation has immense selling power. They don't need to try to sell us anything--we're going to buy it anyway. In fact, we're going to buy it in multiple versions, buy it for five times face value on ebay if the scalpers get to it before we do, buy it in as many cities as we can, buy it whether it's in arenas or stadiums, buy it even if they play Pride and WOWY lifelessly every single night. And then we're going to come back here and complain about it for the next three or four years, until the next album comes out, because that seems to be all some of us are good at.
 
Why are there so many newbies showing up lately and being ... well ... jerks?

Sorry to say but we have to get used to new people just creeping out of holes. Sometimes I wonder why most new posters flood the board with negativity. Maybe the rest is just intimitated? I don't envy the mods during the weeks and months to come.
 
popmartjn, I'd say you've miss quotted me[...], I did not say i don't like casual fans at concerts.

Disregarding any name-calling (oh so good in support of an argument) it could also mean I just misunderstood you. Because I am a bit puzzled by your arguments. From your posts I got that you didn't mind casual fans at U2 concerts, but you didn't like casual fans at U2 concerts. If that's not your point, then what is?
 
I didn't say i liked them there or not, I couldn't care less. I said, simply, and in the kings english, they are the minority at a U2 show, how hard is that to understand?
 
Seems like one big gang war...I don't know if I should be part of the Sharks or the Jets....the Bloods or the Crypts....confusing indeed.

Psst ... it's Bloods and Crips.

Just so you know, in case that's the side you choose. ;)

"When you're a Jet, you're a Jet all the way ...."

:whistle:
 
Now, aren't you contradicting yourself a bit? You state it's very difficult to get U2 tickets (true), so only the committed will be there. And then you say you don't like casual fans at the concert. How's that possible if you've just stated that casual fans can't be at the concert since it's so difficult to get tickets?
:huh:

You're right.....he doesn't know what he's saying...he just likes talking out of his piehole...he's good at that:D
 
Now, aren't you contradicting yourself a bit? You state it's very difficult to get U2 tickets (true), so only the committed will be there. And then you say you don't like casual fans at the concert. How's that possible if you've just stated that casual fans can't be at the concert since it's so difficult to get tickets?
:huh:

I'd don't think there's any contradiction here at all. Tickets are hard to get, in the sense that the last few tours everybody has basically had the same opportunity to score (serious fans, casual fans, scalpers). I think it's likely that a good chunk of the audience is not comprised of more serious fans. I actually think a lot of this depends on the city you live in, too. In NYC, I had a friend who got a chance to get pre-sale Vertigo tickets through Mastercard. He was a less-than-casual U2 fan, but he also thought it would be a once-in-a-lifetime experience to see U2 perform at Madison Square Garden. He got better seats than I was able to get through the fanclub pre-sale, and he got seats to their first NYC show in Fall 2005 while I could only get seats to the second show through the fanclub pre-sale. In Tampa that same year, I got GA seats to U2 Vertigo, but the GA section was also filled with kids who were there primarily to see the opening act (I can't even remember who the opening act was). They pushed forward to see the opener, and then acted bored the whole time U2 was playing.
 
Psst ... it's Bloods and Crips.

Just so you know, in case that's the side you choose. ;)

"When you're a Jet, you're a Jet all the way ...."

:whistle:

:lol:

:reject: oh yeeeeah...CRIPS. oops!

*snaps fingers and falls into dance formation*

"when you're a Jet....."

it's "the bombs" VS "the boots". the winners will head over the horizon and leave the losers behind.


LMAO!!!!

:applaud:
 
Man....

I want to see how U2 responds if GOYB really flops. If at all.

while i really like the song, i really don't believe U2 had the intention of this song being the next Beautiful Day or WOWY. it really seems that they just wanted to throw a cool, upbeat song out there. if the album is as good as i think it will be, then i'm sure there will be a strong 2nd single that will help their album sales, if they even care about sales this time. :up:
 
Yeah...I don't see how GOYB can flop. Its not a comeback single or a statement single like B-Day and Vertigo. I think they earned themselves a little extra slack where they can put out a single (like GOYB) that can be a little bit out there without much danger of affecting album sales. NLOTH will still debut top 5 and sell 5-7million copies regardless of the single.
 
Yeah...I don't see how GOYB can flop. Its not a comeback single or a statement single like B-Day and Vertigo. I think they earned themselves a little extra slack where they can put out a single (like GOYB) that can be a little bit out there without much danger of affecting album sales. NLOTH will still debut top 5 and sell 5-7million copies regardless of the single.


You're right....and in the U.S. it will debut at No. 1...I'm almost certain of that
 
while i really like the song, i really don't believe U2 had the intention of this song being the next Beautiful Day or WOWY. it really seems that they just wanted to throw a cool, upbeat song out there. if the album is as good as i think it will be, then i'm sure there will be a strong 2nd single that will help their album sales, if they even care about sales this time. :up:


good points...though I might disagree with you a little about not caring about sales this time....they do..and Universal Music certainly does:wink:

I can say almost without reservation that they will be in the U.S doing some sort of promo tour when the album drops...it worked for them with HTDAAB and that album sold 840,000 copies for them in the first week of release in the U.S.

Since the U.S. won't see them on a proper tour till at least September(a European tour start in June and Bono always takes August off for family vacation)...I could see them do some promotional club tour in 3 or 4 major U.S. cities to tie in with radio stations...kind of what they did in New York the last two times but they may include Chicago,L.A. etc. this time
 
Did the band make the same mistake with releasing Boots as they did with "Pop"?

I'm not sure this is worthy of a new thread or if it belongs elsewhere, so I apologize in advance.

As much as I enjoyed and still enjoy Pop, I think it is safe to say it was a low point in their career and they had to work very hard to undo the damage. The public couldn't wrap their hands around what they were doing with Discotheque or what they heard about it being a "dance album".

In particular, the release of Discotheque as a leadoff single deflated curiosity and momentum and this led to spotty concert ticket sales.

I still have high hopes for the album but I really think that releasing Boots will not help the album. Perhaps it will have no effect, but it certainly won't help them by creating positive buzz. I know some (mostly, hard-core U2 fans, esp. the fans that enjoy and appreciate U2's more "experimental" side) really like the record, but I think it's safe to say that it isn't taking the world by storm.

The band sure does make some curious decisions. I hope this song doesn't drive people away from the album.

So, my question is, did the band miscalculate the song's appeal? Or did they know it would elicit a mixed reaction?
 
It's early days - too early to tell.

Once the selling machinery cranks up, the video is shown and the boys are on the covers of every magazine we will see whether it measures up in terms of popularity.

I hope it does, (I like the song a lot), but we will see...
 
In particular, the release of Discotheque as a leadoff single deflated curiosity and momentum and this led to spotty concert ticket sales.

[...]

The band sure does make some curious decisions. I hope this song doesn't drive people away from the album.

So, my question is, did the band miscalculate the song's appeal? Or did they know it would elicit a mixed reaction?

As the post immediately after yours says, it's too early to tell at this moment. But you raise an interesting point, though my opinion of it is probably opposite yours. :)

The release of Discothèque might've deflated momentum in the album (I still don't like it that much). This was not only because it wasn't the best song to be used as a lead-off singly, but because it became this huge success. Yes, I believe the band miscalculated the song's appeal; they underestimated it. They probably were betting on a decent chart position, some initial airplay as a message that U2 was back in the picture and then follow up with a radio-friendly 'big hit'. They figured that, since they were so big, radio would play anything they offered as lead single.

Keep in mind, this wasn't anything new for U2. They've done this before (you can argue it even goes back to The Joshua Tree, where they released a slow very un-U2 sounding dirge as lead-off single). The Fly was played everywhere upon its release as it was a new release by the biggest band of the Eighties. It didn't got very high in the charts (#61 in the US) and was followed quickly by Mysterious Ways (which reached #10 in the US).
And U2 weren't the only band to do this, as their contemporaries at that time, R.E.M. did the same. And also they were surprised by the popularity of a lead-off single they released just because they could, completely overwhelming the release of the 'commercially sounding big hit'. I'm talking about Losing My Religion here. They repeated the pattern for their next albums (Drive followed by Man On The Moon, What's The Frequency Kenneth? followed by Bang And Blame, etc.).

So with Discothèque U2 were maybe surprised by the unintended success of the single (and subsequent backlash against the album). What their actual plan is this time, nobody knows for now. But I wouldn't be surprised if they figured "Well, we got quite a bit of commercial goodwill with the past few records, why not use it again? Release something interesting which will be played anyway. It might become a mid-sized hit. Then, when the album is released, let's release a big song, to sustain/increase the momentum."

It did work for them in the past...
 
Boots looks like it will be out of the itunes charts tomorrow, after only one week on sale. Looks like this is gonna be a flop in the US for them...maybe they will go with a second single before the album release, otherwise...
 

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