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Old 05-14-2010, 09:37 PM   #166
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well. I have not ever thought they are making it up as they go along...I just haven't disected it that thoroughly...I just have a hard time with time travel in general. ...
someone posted awhile back about the basis with viewers disappointment is the viewer has an idea of how the show should go and when it doesn't unfold that way it pisses them off....I probably fall more into that category...I have enjoyed this show immensly and have enjoyed all the twists and turns and tried to go along for the ride for the most part. I also believe the writers are rushing to try to tie up all the loose ends and therefore the original story is being "Lost"...just my 2 cents...I still love the show and will certainly miss it when it is over
Ha, that was me.

I keep reading the argument that they're rushing things because the end is near, but I don't agree with that, either. They've known the end date since the end of season 3. It's not like they were sitting in the writers room in January or February and suddenly said "holy shit guys! I don't know where the time went, but we need to wrap this sucker up!" And then they started cramming things they'd previously forgotten in. Seriously. Consider that - do you think that's a likely scenario?

We're seeing the story unfold as they envisioned it, at the pace they thought best, and as they decided to tell it, period. If someone doesn't like the story they're telling, fine, I don't have a problem with that at all. If you don't like it because it feels rushed to you? That's fine too. But to say that the writers rushed it? No they didn't.

I should quit talking about Lost. I'm a little touchy this week because a major part of the enjoyment of the show for me is reading online, and people out there are just being poopy-heads about it, thus ruining my enjoyment.
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Old 05-14-2010, 09:52 PM   #167
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yes...enjoy the ride the last few shows will offer and don't let the poopy-heads get to you! and remember you can always enjoy Ben with a pancake on his head!
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Old 05-14-2010, 10:02 PM   #169
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Sean, I think you are a pretty intelligent guy
please explain why Jin, Jun and her father speak a different language than English

and why Richard and his wife do

but the people in the 40 AD era, mother, Jacob, brother, and birth mother speak contemporary English?
Any time you get too far in the past, the whole issue of accents and languages becomes moot. It's like those Biblical films where Jesus and his disciples all speak with British accents (By the way, you all know that "Desmond" played Jesus in a film of the gospel of John a few years back?). Why British? It's not like Arabic would be any more "accurate." We're talking about dead languages here. I suppose the argument would be that they had them speak English because the alternative was to have them speak in this dead language through the entire episode and subtitle it all. And even Lost wasn't willing to go that far. I even felt like I noticed the moment where they "switched" to English and we were supposed to believe they were still speaking the old language. It was clumsy. But in terms of being unrealistic, the final words between Jin and Sun were far worse. That did bother me. I really felt they should have spoken in Korean.

I guess it just doesn't eat at me the way it does some. Maybe it's because I'm not as emotionally invested in the show as many of the true fans are. I don't know.

I just feel like, yeah, there are some clumsy moments.

But it could be worse.

It could be Flashforward.
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Old 05-14-2010, 10:06 PM   #170
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yes...enjoy the ride the last few shows will offer and don't let the poopy-heads get to you! and remember you can always enjoy Ben with a pancake on his head!
To paraphrase: "Don't let the poopy-heads grind you down."
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Old 05-14-2010, 11:25 PM   #171
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Old 05-15-2010, 01:19 PM   #172
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Old 05-15-2010, 04:26 PM   #174
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I'll take Richard as the example, although it's been covered here before.

Richard has been one of the most interesting yet laconic characters since he was introduced (Season 2? 3?). The episode this season where he reacts to the situation with Jacob and such, he completely broke character.

And this illustrates my problem with the show this season. I'm no longer that interested in answers. I've known many of those won't be coming since Season 2. But, it has been the complexity of the characters and their relationships with each other that has been the most interesting thing to watch, as well as their reactions to the changing circumstances on the island, etc.

So, if in the interest of ending the show, Lindelof/Cuse are having characters break with their nature, that's disappointing. I know it comes from being short on time, but I think they painted themselves into a corner somewhat by setting the endpoint too early. The characters they have created and nurtured for years deserve the time to react based on their nature.

That's my 2 cents. I have been invested in the show since I watched the entire 1st Season on DVD just prior to the start of the 2nd Season. I've put in the time, so I think I'm allowed to be a little disappointed and call "whiny bitch" occasionally.
read your post last night (print-out).

What you say makes definite sense.

Especially since you've been watching it in a really sequential matter VS
me who's been experiencing this show more like a crazy quilt!!
Or time-skipping mode !

ANd maybe b/c I spent a bunch of years reading SF Media Fan Fic where writers sometimes would break the characters out of their nature that the original author created-- often with some of those authors saying they could "see" areas (small scenes, asides,etc) where such character had then "the potential" to be broken out of originally written personality.
This often then led to flame wars: originally in Letter-zines/ pre-web/ ?almost pre-user-net, too!

So I guess It's not always the strongest point with me now, having been exposed to this fan-fiction free for all since the early 80's.

But it's probably something i should re-empathize in my own reading/viewing. Of course being there near from the begining or getting the DVD's in between seasons WOULD have helped!

Thanks for taking the time to respond.
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I ALMOST succumbed to the "Spoiler-side" of The Force last night!

I hadn't passed anywhere to pick up the EW this week, till I deliberately went looking last night. Luckily the first Bookstore I went to-- someone had shoved the last copy of it- the Multi-covers Cover in between 2 other different magazines, while the New EW Issue (Sex && The City 2) was packed up in the front of the rack.

AFter I had read the 1- 5 recaps ( funny ), I stayed away from the next pages of S.6 . Fine... so far.......

But about an hour later, i looked at it on my sofa, and almost went to pick it up, and open to the The Final Shooting Article having the urge for a few mins.
But I didn't !
..."step AWAY from the magazine"....! :smiliewithbullhorn:

I think I'll shove it into the bottom of my SF magazines, articles. stuff, etc designated Desk Drawer till after it's alllllllll over!
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This is pretty awesome. And Darlton approved.

YouTube - LOST 6x17/18 - SERIES FINALE PROMO TRAILER
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Old 05-15-2010, 11:44 PM   #178
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Something else I take issue with (not directed at you, Daddysgonnapay, your post just reminded me of it)...when people pull out old quotes of Darlton saying "the show is not going to involve X." Mostly it's time travel, but I've even seen an old quote pulled this week on another site where they said the series won't involve any sort of twin relationship.

How are they supposed to answer questions like that??
I know what you mean, because they're kind of in a lose-lose situation, with super specific questions. So you know, though, the quotes to which I myself was referring were Cuse/Lindelof-inspired. Nobody was asking about time travel, in between the first two seasons; or, anyway, nobody was in the interview(s) to which I'm referring.

They were speaking more broadly about how they had created Lost as and to function as a "science-fact," rather than science-fiction, show. One of the examples which they, on their own, provided to prove this was that line about how they're never going to do something as retarded as time travel. I'm not even complaining about the time travel, mind you. Sure, it make absolutely no sense in the science-fact context of the show, but neither does a smoke monster, and I've never been (too) up in arms about that.

When they haven't wanted to give something away, they have not traditionally lied. Instead, they have just said, "No comment." Which is totally fine, as far as I'm concerned. But it's their willingness simply to say, "No comment," or whatever, that informs my relative frustration with things like those time travel quotes. What I'm willing to buy is that they knew the basic outline of the show--good vs. evil with lots of in-between, and that the island was a source of great energy, etc.--which is hardly anything to praise (if they didn't, then why the hell would they be making the show?) but had literally zero clue as to how the gaps would be filled. Again, that's fine. My frustration comes not from the nonexistent audacity not to have an entire series, which was initially created with no end date anywhere remotely in sight, planned to down to the last second (that's crazy/impossible)...it's their insistence that they really did have it all planned out, from the get-go. Not down to the last precise detail, of course. But if they want me to believe that like 1/3 of the way into the first season, the dudes in the writers room knew that those skeletons were the then-unseen and -unknown smoke monster's millennia old, non-decomposed corpse and that of his murderous, adoptive mother who wasn't going to be introduced in any way, shape, or form until practically the final episode of the entire series, then they are out of their minds. I may love this show, but I'm not an idiot.
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Here, though, is a non-infuriating interview (ie, one in which they don't endlessly compare themselves to David Chase, are honest rather than defensive and dishonest about the creative process, are not repeatedly and preemptively apologetic for the show/finale they "have the right to make however [they] want to make it, you fuckers," and so on):

Television - The Men Who Made ABC�s �Lost� Last - Question - NYTimes.com

Zero spoilers, so no worries. Sure, I'm kind of bothered that they are still inexplicably convinced that people watched the show for the Jack/Kate/Sawyer dynamic (Have these guys never noticed that practically all we fans ever talked about or debated were the mysteries, or that they themselves, by putting them into the show and talking about them so often, have centered that aspect of the show? I honestly can't remember having any conversations about how fucking incredibly deep Claire was, as a character...), but whatever. They've been delusional about that for a good, long while, and I think we're all used to that. The interview's tone is welcome, at this point in the game.
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got a little dusty in my apartment while watching that promo
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